I've delayed writing any kind of further response because I just couldn't bring anything to mind that I was willing to say out loud or put in an email. When I'm finished writing this one; it may or may not actually be sent. You may remember that we had discussion last fall (sparked by Erika's masthead questions) about which committee chairs should, of necessity imply a board position. At that time, as now, I felt AS YOU DO that the newsletter editor position required close communication with the board and SHOULD be a board position. It was my desire to document each chair position and whether or not each should be a board position as well, but that effort was shot down. That's okay; I can live with being voted down. As for June; I am thrilled that she is getting more involved! She's a great asset to GSAS and has proven that she is responsible and reliable. I've always been in her corner and if she is interested and willing to fill a board member position, then I'll be her campaign manager! Now that it should be clear where I stand on those two key issues, here's the "rub". At the August meeting, the board discussed at length, the question of who can/should be on the Board Email list. The decision was... current members, of course, and that past board members who were still interested in providing insight were welcome to remain on the list. It was agreed (I thought), documented in the minutes, and those minutes ultimately approved by the Board. I was sitting at my computer when Erik's email came through suggesting that if June would send a "subscribe" email, he would process it and she would be added to the Board list. Within minutes I sent Erik an OFF-LIST email pointing out that the board had addressed the subject and that what he was suggesting went against what the board had agreed upon. Needless to say, I had a reason for sending my email off-list or I wouldn't have done it. Not wanting June to be put in an uncomfortable position, and on the off chance that she might already have been added to the board list before my "point-of-order" email was sent out, I sent it privately. It would have been a simple matter to have delayed her subscription until the Board could have addressed the idea of making an exception to allow the editor on the list OR of making the editor an automatic board position. Instead, my email was intentionally re-broadcast to the board list (a slap in the face) and the "decision" was made. I have to wonder why we meet as a group to have these discussions and why I spend so much time documenting the outcome of those discussions if they're going to be ignored/over-ruled anyway. On a different matter, this same email (below) contained the second, not-so-subtle insinuation that the way that I, as the Board Secretary, communicated with Erika is the reason that she stopped publishing newsletters and communicating with the Board - the first was at the January board meeting we had at Clay's house. It hurt then, and it hurts now. It was a very unkind thing to say. If Erika had any problem with the way I communicated the board information with her, she never let on to me. I don't usually write emails like this. It was very difficult and leaves a bad taste in my mouth. Clay, you asked to hear all sides, so here is mine. Rick -----Original Message----- From: owner-gsas-board@thekrib.com [mailto:owner-gsas-board@thekrib.com] On Behalf Of Hess, Clay A Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2003 5:06 PM To: gsas-board@thekrib.com Subject: RE: Board email list Good Evening, I tend to agree that the Newsletter Editor really needs to be on the Board Mailing List. I find it difficult enough to try and communicate information to the club. If I had my way there would be only one mailing list.....but, I understand the need for two separate ones when things get out of hand. With this said, my vote is to put the Newsletter Editor on the Board list and, again, consider this person part of the Board. I am happy to hear reasons this should not be so, however......as noted in some of my prior emails, I am hoping to hear all sides of this and have the Board help make a decision which way to jump. Clay -----Original Message----- From: Erik Olson [mailto:erik@thekrib.com] Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2003 5:16 PM To: Rick Rose Cc: gsas-board@thekrib.com Subject: Re: Board email list Hi... Based on my experience, f June is going to do the newsletter, she needs to be on the list. It's not that every committee chair is on the list, but I do believe that the newsletter editor needs to be on the list. Hey, Erika was never on the board (though you guys insisted she was month after month), but she was on the list. Why? Because she needed to know what's coming up, what the decisions are, and in general be exposed to information directly, rather than being e-mailed some kind of edict, a la "The BOARD has decided such and such..." Hmm, now that I think of it, that may have been how that particular relationship was conducted, and that may have partly contributed to its current state. Now, I don't think that many of the committee chairs need be on the list. Hospitality, for instance. But newsletter editor is very different. But if a certain not-so-friendly member had been newsletter editor, said person would have needed to be on this list, no matter how much any of us despised the concept. Anyway, think about it. - Erik On Sat, 19 Apr 2003, Rick Rose wrote: > Hi Erik, > > Based on our discussion of the board email list last August, the board > email list is for current and former board members. Putting June on the > list goes against that and also opens us up to adding all committee > chairs to the list (which I think is a bad idea). > > - Rick > -- Erik Olson erik at thekrib dot com ------------------ To unsubscribe from this list, e-mail majordomo@thekrib.com with "unsubscribe gsas-board" in the body of the message. Old messages are available at http://lists.thekrib.com/gsas-board When asked, log in as username is "gsas-board", and password "gsas-bored". ------------------ To unsubscribe from this list, e-mail majordomo@thekrib.com with "unsubscribe gsas-board" in the body of the message. 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