Re: [GSAS-board] Proposed email

["Hess, Clay A" <clay.a.hess@boeing.com>]

Paul,

I would enjoy hearing your ideas as well.  If I remember correctly, I was the 
front end of this emailstorm.

Clay 

-----Original Message-----
From: gsas-board-bounces@thekrib.com [mailto:gsas-board-bounces@thekrib.com] On 
Behalf Of Paul M. Wallace
Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 11:35 AM
To: 'GSAS board members and alumni'
Subject: Re: [GSAS-board] Proposed email

I have some ideas for Dave on my own.  Any objection to me contacting him today 
to A) let him know his issue is under debate and B) float my ideas?

-Paul

-----Original Message-----
From: gsas-board-bounces@thekrib.com [mailto:gsas-board-bounces@thekrib.com]
On Behalf Of Kathy Olson
Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 8:51 PM
To: Calye Lacefield (Clarissa Shovan)
Cc: GSAS board members and alumni
Subject: Re: [GSAS-board] Proposed email

Hi,

After having been in the club 13 years or so (much less than Erik, Steev, Clay 
and Dave), it seems like this stuff comes and goes.

I never minded Hiro's posts, it gave club members great opportunities, and I 
miss Hiro (does anyone know where he went), but it was bordering on commercial, 
and he was definitely local...right at Lake Union.  Hiro was tactful.

I have seen some other posts border on commercial.  In general, people on the 
list tend to ignore them or tell them how they feel (like...HEY STOP THAT).

This guys seemed very polite.  Most people probably would of just done posted 
it.  If he wasn't so *nice* he would of posted and no discussion would of 
ensued.  I like the idea of saying, Hey...I am setting this up and trying this 
out, if anyone wants to offer suggestions, I would love to hear them, and his 
link.  He can put the discount in his link or on the GSAS page.  Done.  He is a 
member.

GSAS members post things all the time about stores having sales, or look at 
this, or someone is opening that...and I like that.  It lets us know where to 
look.

Now if it was regualar ADVERTISING on the LIST I would say NO WAY.  But this 
isn't, he is just asking for some feedback.

Good luck discussing it at the board.

Kathy


--
Kathy
"Perhaps wisdom is simply waiting, and healing a question of time. And anything 
good you've ever been given is yours forever.".....from Kitchen Table Wisdom by 
Rachel Naomi Remen




On Mon, 30 Nov 2009, Calye Lacefield (Clarissa Shovan) wrote:

> I'm with Shango on both not being the board and thinking that a post 
> to the list requesting website feedback seems like something any other 
> member might do (whatever perks he might offer to whoever gives him 
> feedback can be between him and that person).  I agree with Erik that 
> if he puts a discount message in his sig file that it would be no 
> different than any other sig file.  If he wants to offer a continued 
> discount, why not just have him do whatever he needs to do to become 
> an official sponsor like other stores and list his discount however 
> those are listed on the website, in the newsletter, etc.
>
> The problem seems to be that he tried to ask permission. I :-)
>
> Cal
>
> On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 1:59 PM, Shango Los <shango@shangolos.com> wrote:
>> Indeed this is a complex topic with alot of folks with different 
>> opinions
based on different experience.  This is the main reason I think we should not 
open Pandora's box.
>>
>> I personally never had an issue with Hiro posting because he was int 
>> he
club, donated stuff and bred them himself.  However, I didn't care for Mark 
Dorward posting LowCoaster's stuff every week.  That should be an opt in thing 
directly from the seller.  I also don't care for Jeff's stocking lists of 
African fish.  There should be one email inviting people to get on his personal 
list and then we shouldn't have to hear about it again,
>>
>> There is nothing wrong with the fellow posting to the list saying 
>> that he
is launching a new website and would like feedback.  As soon as there is any 
kind of discount or remuneration involved I think you have the slippery slope.
>>
>> Honestly, I don't think any of this is a big deal but part of the 
>> role of
the Board, which I know I am not on, is to decrease future liability and so I 
think we should be clear about our precedent and what it may mean.
>>
>> On Nov 30, 2009, at 12:39 PM, Paul M. Wallace wrote:
>>
>>> Dear Shango & Board,
>>>
>>> The yardstick I use is "local".  I am happy to get updates forwared 
>>> from Phil of the Renton store and have personally posted the 
>>> reopening of the Little Amazon and local sales.  I was even happy to 
>>> anounce when Doran's Fish Take People opened a store front down 
>>> south.  The only problems I remember have been Hiro (outright sale) 
>>> and LowCoaster as they are not local.  I agree that it we drop the 
>>> bar to Internet, can ship, we will
be
>>> swamped.  So, IMHO the question is how local is this venture?  The 
>>> angle
of
>>> become a major distributor, undercut local stores, does not last long.
 This
>>> is why Steve will not let us do a group buy from the cichlid 
>>> exchange
and
>>> why breaders are really hesitent to sell locally.  On the otherhand
there
>>> are a number of placed that hunt for common items locally and sell 
>>> nice packages.  I am thinking driftwood from CA (It Grows On Trees!) 
>>> and regulators from Rex as he uses a group buy to get around $50 min 
>>> order restrictions.  So if the site stocks NW specific items with 
>>> fast/cheap shipping I am all for it.
>>>
>>> On a side note, Jeff looks like he will be spamming his stocking 
>>> lists
for
>>> African fish.  When does this become a problem?
>>>
>>> -Paul
>>
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