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Re: bolbitis heudelotii (plant) problem
Velvet looks like the fish has been dusted with
yellowish powder. Glugea is little white lumps
sticking through the skin. There's no way to confuse
them when you see it. Velvet is curable. Glugea isn't
Good luck
Matt
--- Kate Breimayer <kate@munat.com> wrote:
> I clean their tank daily and it looks gross every
> time. I think the
> euthenasia thing is most likely. Don't know the
> difference between
> glugea and velvet, either way it's gotta go and stay
> gone.
> Thanks for all the help,
> Kate
>
> throatwarbler mangrove wrote:
>
> >What's true in nature doesn't necessarily follow in
> >captivity. If the disease you have is glugea (and
> >Barry Cooper, who you sent the fish to for necropsy
> >would know), my suggestion is to terminate all of
> >them, it's highly contagious to other killies and
> >there's no treatment. Kill the fish, bleach the
> tank.
> >I believe Barry had to do this at one point and
> >certainly Dan Katz from Long Island had to do this
> >with his impressive collection of south american
> >annuals. It just plain isn't a fun thing to have in
> >your room. I've bred 10 or so different Nothos and
> >many S. A. annuals and fortunately avoided the
> glugea
> >plague. Isolation is a very good thing - Dr. Brian
> >Watters of Vancouver (I think), who is probably the
> >world's leading expert on Nothobranchius, has a
> very
> >elaborate fishroom that includes a large area for
> >isolating incoming fish to ensure no nasties come
> in
> >with them. When I was really into fish I always
> >reserved a tank or two far away from the main fish
> >setup for isolation of suspicious fish, especially
> >anything wild caught.
> >
> >Glugea looks like small white lumps on the fish's
> >body, it seems to be especially bad for annual
> killies
> >either african (nothos) or south american
> >("Simpsonichthys" and the ever-growing number of
> >genera that all used to be "Cynolebias")
> >
> >As far as velvet goes, velvet likes dirty tanks and
> >the old timers say sunlight makes it worse. I have
> had
> >it in small crowded tanks and Nothos are a classic
> for
> >that - you hatch out 300 of them and have a 2.5
> gallon
> >tank available for rearing them :-) Tanks get
> grubby
> >really fast. The old-timer notho breeders I knew
> all
> >kept their notho tanks immaculate (and with high
> >levels of salt, killies can withstand very very
> high
> >levels of salt, seawater strength is no problem as
> >long as its gradually introduced.)
> >
> >I've also used acriflavine for velvet - Damn!
> That's
> >*two* fish medications I admit to using today. What
> is
> >going on here... Anyway, I separate out the sick
> fish,
> >treat with acriflavine (which knocks out velvet
> boom!
> >but isn't so good for fish eggs) then reintroduce
> and
> >the fish generally recover. In every case, the tank
> >was grubby and crowded.
> >Matt
> >--- Kate Breimayer <kate@munat.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >>Nothobranchius killies are seasonal fish, they
> live
> >>in temporary pools
> >>and die off every year when they dry up, unless
> they
> >>get lucky and have
> >>a wet year. They spawn like crazy and the eggs are
> >>buried in the bottom
> >>of the pools, where they incubate until next
> years'
> >>rains, some even
> >>last another season or two in case of drought.
> They
> >>grow amazingly
> >>quickly and are usually gorgeous, supposedly the
> >>pools are full of
> >>debris and so difficult to see in that the males
> >>have to be colorful so
> >>the females can find them. Really amazing fish,
> but
> >>they are extremely
> >>sensitive to velvet. I apparently don't have a
> >>knack for them. I
> >>contacted a fish pathologist who studies this
> group
> >>of fish, he was a
> >>professor at Cornell and he recommended the
> >>flubendazole but also said
> >>the case was most likely hopeless and that I would
> >>most likely have to
> >>euthenize the lot. These fish evolved to live fast
> >>and spawn like crazy,
> >>and die young, they seem to have really cruddy
> >>immune systems. Some
> >>people do great with them though. And I have 3
> >>species here, one never
> >>got sick, another kicked it after treatment, the
> >>third is getting til
> >>the end of the week and then it's euthenasia. I
> >>can't risk splashing
> >>their water into my healthy tanks, or having my
> >>fishsitter contaminate
> >>other tanks with their water while I am out of
> town
> >>next week.
> >>Velvet sucks, don't get it. I got it twice from
> fish
> >>bought online.
> >>Think it's a good plan to stick to buying fish you
> >>can actually lay your
> >>eyes on first.
> >>I don't normally go in for medicating fish either
> >>but this notho
> >>situation, all the other killie people said
> >>flubendazole was a miracle
> >>drug and it would be a snap to deal with...
> >>Hydra also I have to treat. It really likes my
> fry.
> >>Any other fish seem to recover from most things
> with
> >>good diet and lots
> >>of water changes, and they seem to be healthier
> and
> >>stronger if raised
> >>in a tank with healthy plants. So most of my
> killies
> >>are in planted
> >>tanks and get regular changes with chemical free
> >>aged water, and I have
> >>no problems ever with 90% of my fish. Needless to
> >>say I did not send any
> >>Nothobranchius killies to the meeting and will not
> >>be keeping them again
> >>in the future, except for any offspring from the
> >>species that never got
> >>sick in the first place.
> >>Sometimes fishkeeping is less fun that it is at
> >>other times.
> >>Kate
> >>
> >>throatwarbler mangrove wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>It could be the meds. In my opinion, medicating
> >>>
> >>>
> >>fish
> >>
> >>
> >>>rarely works. Sounds like a combo of the rising
> >>>
> >>>
> >>salt
> >>
> >>
> >>>and the nasties from 'formalin' did in the plant,
> >>>that's not that surprising esp. salt levels.
> >>>
> >>>Also, nothobranchius killies are no less hardy
> than
> >>>any other fish - I'm sure there's more to it than
> >>>
> >>>
> >>the
> >>
> >>
> >>>type of fish. But, I expect we'll hear plenty
> about
> >>>killies tomorrow night.
> >>>
> >>>--- Kate Breimayer <kate@munat.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>It was the mother plant for a bunch of them, It
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>was
> >>
> >>
> >>>>doing fine for
> >>>>probably a year in my tanks, and the person I
> got
>
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