Kate throatwarbler mangrove wrote:
Velvet looks like the fish has been dusted with yellowish powder. Glugea is little white lumps sticking through the skin. There's no way to confuse them when you see it. Velvet is curable. Glugea isn't Good luck Matt --- Kate Breimayer <kate@munat.com> wrote:I clean their tank daily and it looks gross everytime. I think the euthenasia thing is most likely. Don't know the difference between glugea and velvet, either way it's gotta go and staygone. Thanks for all the help, Kate throatwarbler mangrove wrote:What's true in nature doesn't necessarily follow in captivity. If the disease you have is glugea (and Barry Cooper, who you sent the fish to for necropsy would know), my suggestion is to terminate all of them, it's highly contagious to other killies and there's no treatment. Kill the fish, bleach thetank.I believe Barry had to do this at one point and certainly Dan Katz from Long Island had to do this with his impressive collection of south american annuals. It just plain isn't a fun thing to have in your room. I've bred 10 or so different Nothos and many S. A. annuals and fortunately avoided theglugeaplague. Isolation is a very good thing - Dr. Brian Watters of Vancouver (I think), who is probably the world's leading expert on Nothobranchius, has averyelaborate fishroom that includes a large area for isolating incoming fish to ensure no nasties comeinwith them. When I was really into fish I always reserved a tank or two far away from the main fish setup for isolation of suspicious fish, especially anything wild caught. Glugea looks like small white lumps on the fish's body, it seems to be especially bad for annualkillieseither african (nothos) or south american ("Simpsonichthys" and the ever-growing number of genera that all used to be "Cynolebias") As far as velvet goes, velvet likes dirty tanks and the old timers say sunlight makes it worse. I havehadit in small crowded tanks and Nothos are a classicforthat - you hatch out 300 of them and have a 2.5gallontank available for rearing them :-) Tanks getgrubbyreally fast. The old-timer notho breeders I knewallkept their notho tanks immaculate (and with high levels of salt, killies can withstand very veryhighlevels of salt, seawater strength is no problem as long as its gradually introduced.) I've also used acriflavine for velvet - Damn!That's*two* fish medications I admit to using today. Whatisgoing on here... Anyway, I separate out the sickfish,treat with acriflavine (which knocks out velvetboom!but isn't so good for fish eggs) then reintroduceandthe fish generally recover. In every case, the tankwas grubby and crowded. Matt--- Kate Breimayer <kate@munat.com> wrote:Nothobranchius killies are seasonal fish, theylivein temporary pools and die off every year when they dry up, unlesstheyget lucky and have a wet year. They spawn like crazy and the eggs are buried in the bottom of the pools, where they incubate until nextyears'rains, some even last another season or two in case of drought.Theygrow amazingly quickly and are usually gorgeous, supposedly the pools are full of debris and so difficult to see in that the males have to be colorful so the females can find them. Really amazing fish,butthey are extremely sensitive to velvet. I apparently don't have a knack for them. I contacted a fish pathologist who studies thisgroupof fish, he was a professor at Cornell and he recommended the flubendazole but also said the case was most likely hopeless and that I would most likely have to euthenize the lot. These fish evolved to live fast and spawn like crazy, and die young, they seem to have really cruddy immune systems. Some people do great with them though. And I have 3 species here, one never got sick, another kicked it after treatment, the third is getting til the end of the week and then it's euthenasia. I can't risk splashing their water into my healthy tanks, or having my fishsitter contaminate other tanks with their water while I am out oftownnext week. Velvet sucks, don't get it. I got it twice fromfishbought online. Think it's a good plan to stick to buying fish you can actually lay your eyes on first.I don't normally go in for medicating fish eitherbut this notho situation, all the other killie people said flubendazole was a miracle drug and it would be a snap to deal with...Hydra also I have to treat. It really likes myfry.Any other fish seem to recover from most thingswithgood diet and lots of water changes, and they seem to be healthierandstronger if raised in a tank with healthy plants. So most of mykilliesare in planted tanks and get regular changes with chemical free aged water, and I have no problems ever with 90% of my fish. Needless to say I did not send any Nothobranchius killies to the meeting and will not be keeping them again in the future, except for any offspring from the species that never got sick in the first place.Sometimes fishkeeping is less fun that it is at other times. Kate throatwarbler mangrove wrote:It could be the meds. In my opinion, medicatingfishrarely works. Sounds like a combo of the risingsaltand the nasties from 'formalin' did in the plant, that's not that surprising esp. salt levels. Also, nothobranchius killies are no less hardythanany other fish - I'm sure there's more to it thanthetype of fish. But, I expect we'll hear plentyaboutkillies tomorrow night. --- Kate Breimayer <kate@munat.com> wrote:It was the mother plant for a bunch of them, Itwasdoing fine for probably a year in my tanks, and the person Igot=== message truncated === __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com ------------------ To unsubscribe from this list, please send mail to majordomo@thekrib.com with "Unsubscribe gsas-member" in the body of the message. Archives of this list can be found at http://lists.thekrib.com/gsas-member/
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