Re: Tropheus Duboisi/dieing

["Barbie" <barbie@fishaholics.org>]

I would definitely do another water change, treat with clout, and pray.  
http://www.cichlid-forum.com has an informative post in the tropheus section of 
the discussion board relating to bloat.  http://www.duboisi.com also has 
numerous articles that might be of help.  I hope some of the info helps.  You 
might consider a new nitrate test kit, without a fully planted tank, it's very 
difficult to get 0 nitrates in an established tank, especially with only weekly 
changes.

Barbie

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Trish 
  To: gsas-member@thekrib.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 10:11 AM
  Subject: Re: Tropheus Duboisi/dieing


  This tank is not newly set up, it has been up and
  running for 5 years, so cylcing is not an issue.

  All readings are 0 with ph at 7.8.

  Yes they are eating just not as vigoriously as before.

  The diet has not been changed.
  --- Barbie <barbie@fishaholics.org> wrote:
  > Did you mean 0 nitrites?  If so, what is your
  > nitrate reading?   Was the tank fully cycled before
  > you added them?  Tropheus don't handle the cycling
  > process well at all.  Definitely do 30% water
  > changes daily until your readings are 0 ammonia, and
  > 0 nitrites, with a low nitrate reading.  If your
  > fish are still eating, food soaked in garlic and or
  > metronidazole can drastically improve their chances
  > of survival.  At the Cichlid-forum, the accepted
  > treatment for bloat is Clout, dosed full strength,
  > as soon as the problem is noticed.  If you wait a
  > few days before trying it, the blockage in their gut
  > is usually septic and the progression through dropsy
  > usually ensues.  Changes in diet can also cause
  > bloat for them, not just the presence of all veggie
  > matter.  Basically they have a long intestinal
  > tract, much like horses, and any change needs to be
  > tempered with food their gut is already used to, or
  > you can cause blockages.  
  > 
  > Barbie
  >   ----- Original Message ----- 
  >   From: Trish 
  >   To: Fish List 
  >   Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 9:45 AM
  >   Subject: Tropheus Duboisi/dieing
  > 
  > 
  >   Hi everyone-
  > 
  >   Not sure who can help me with this one, but
  > whoever
  >   can, please respond ASAP.
  > 
  >   In March/April I had purchased 22 baby Duboisi.
  >   Everything was going along great, all happy,
  > eating,
  >   settling in nicley in a 90 gallon, with only them,
  > and
  >   6 baby yellow labs, 2 clown loaches. All was great
  >   until now about 2 weeks ago, they started acting
  >   different. As in acting lethargic, scraping
  > against
  >   rocks, and not eating as vigoriously.
  > 
  >   I feed spirilina flakes, romain lettuce, and
  > frozen
  >   pease. So only veggie matter. All is excepted.
  > 
  >   Water changes once a week of 60%. Chemicals used
  > are,
  >   Amguel,Novaqua,aquarium salt. Ph tests out at 7.8,
  > 0
  >   amonia,0 niterates. Filter is a fluval 404, in the
  >   filter for media, I use carbon, filter floss, and
  >   those ceramic stones it comes with. Substrate
  > sand.
  > 
  >   Have lost a total of 8 fish in all, with 4 being
  > just
  >   last night.
  > 
  >   Am going to do another water change, even though
  > one
  >   was just done Saturday morning....not sure of what
  >   else to do. All other fish are fine, even have one
  > of
  >   the yellow labs holding. The only ones which are
  >   acting different are the Duboisi.
  > 
  >   Any information, or suggestions would be great.
  > 
  >   Thanks in advance,
  > 
  >   Trish
  > 
  > 
  > 
  > 
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