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- Subject: [GSAS-Member] Dwarf Frogs
- From: "A JACOBSON" <amjacobson52@msn.com>
- Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 20:24:45 -0700
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I've got 2 dwarf frogs as permanent inhabitants in my 20 gal quarantine tank.
Once every other day I feed them a block of blood words, & they are both fat &
happy afterwards. There are only a few other permanent residents of that tank
- two monk tetras, a botia stratia, and a clown pleco. Oh, & a small red crab
that shows up whenever I put in shrimp pellets. Right now 6 cherry barbs & 2
flying foxes (all very small) are being quarantined there. Other than the
blood worms, I am feeding that tank flakes, and occasionally a few shrimp
pellets, just to confirm that the crab is still alive.
That tank, unlike every other tank I have, gets extremely fouled from week to
week, even though I'm doing 25% water changes each week religiously. The water
is clear, but this junk (can't think of a better description) piles up on the
substrate, mainly accumulating where I feed the frogs, & an area they like to
hide in.
Are they the cause of this tremendous water fouling? Should I separate them
into 2 tanks to keep it down? Or should I just ask someone on the list if they
want a dwarf frog?
Anita (who is not looking forward to trying to trap one of these fast frogs)
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From: Hess, Clay A<mailto:clay.a.hess@boeing.com>
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Sent: Saturday, October 16, 2004 7:25 PM
Subject: RE: [GSAS-Member] Using Actinic/Blue Lights in Freshwater
Anita,
Gotcha. I would agree a 3 hour dawn or dusk cycle is a bit
lengthy....though I would love to see it, if I had the right sunset or
sunrise.....would be cool to watch.
My friend that owns the saltwater tank with the wild computer driven
lighting and heating system on it is from Hawaii and he is a
she.......~~laughing~~.......I know, too much info.
Clay
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From: A JACOBSON [mailto:amjacobson52@msn.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2004 11:26 PM
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Subject: Re: [GSAS-Member] Using Actinic/Blue Lights in Freshwater
I wasn't actually addressing you, but somewhere early in this thread
someone said "I am thinking that the dawn to dusk effect of using a set
of 1000K/Deep Blue lights for 3 hours switching to the 6700K lights for
5 then back to the 1000K/Deep Blue lights will achieve this. What do you
think?" A delayed reaction, I'll admit, but your description of your
friend with the really cool light cycle on his tank (which sounded
perfect) reminded me of my original concern when reading about a 3 hour
dawn & a 3 hour dusk.
Anita
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From: Hess, Clay
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Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2004 10:11 PM
Subject: RE: [GSAS-Member] Using Actinic/Blue Lights in Freshwater
Anita,
I am not sure if you are talking about the time I have my lights on or
something else. But, I am not trying to simulate any cycle with my
fish. The vast majority of my fish were bred in tanks here the
states,
for who knows how many generations, and I am not sure they would
recognize a cycle if shown one now....~~laughing~~. My neighbors tank
does simulate the dawn to dusk cycle according to the tropics,
specifically the tropical Pacific, since that is where the majority of
her fish came from. I don't know how that affects her fish. She
might,
I have never asked her though. Could be an interesting question
though.
Clay
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From: A JACOBSON [mailto:amjacobson52@msn.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2004 9:43 PM
To: Greater Seattle Aquarium Society member chat
Subject: Re: [GSAS-Member] Using Actinic/Blue Lights in Freshwater
I have a little problem with the long dawn / dusk periods, at least
from
a theoretical standpoint. At the equator dawn & dusk are very short
--
the farther away from the equator, the longer the transitional
periods.
If we're talking about tropical fish, I would think the equatorial
model
would be closer to what they would naturally encounter. If you had a
species only tank, it might be neat to find out how long dawn/dusk
lasts
in the area they come from, and duplicate that.
Those natural moon cycles are incredibly cool, though.
Anita
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Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2004 8:36 PM
Subject: RE: [GSAS-Member] Using Actinic/Blue Lights in Freshwater
Al,
Yes, you are correct. I actually have a combination of a number of
various spectrum lights on three different aquariums. Each seems to
do
well, two of the tanks have the 10,000K lights on them, one is a
combo
10,000K/6700K bulb I believe. I do not cycle my lights relative to
one
another, they all come on in the morning (~5am)and are on til about
11pm
at night. I do not currently use CO2 on any of my tanks. And, I do
not
have a wet/dry filter on any of these tanks at this time, they
primarily
use back filters.
My one 100 gallon tank has, the 10,000K/6700K combo light and a
5000K
bulb on one side of it (all from AH supply) and the other side is 5
13
watt compact flourescent lights that replace 5 standard 60 watt
incandescent bulbs (put together from Home Depot parts). I flip
these
two hoods from side to side on the tank about every other month. I
really like the look of the fish under the combo light side, the
"Home
Depot" side is much yellower and not as bright. The "Home Depot"
side
tends to produce more algae, but, the plants grow faster too. SO,if
I
flip the two sides back and forth it seems to control the algae
better
and lets the plants have bursts of growth and then slow periods as
well
with nothing dying. The fish in this tank include a number of
rainbows
and tetras that look really good in the combo light, but, not so
good
under the "Home Depot" lights. This tank has sword plants, crypts,
anubias, floating plants and some java fern. This tank has very
little
algae growth on the walls of the tank too.
Another 100 gallon tank has a mix of two 4 foot shop lights
(Spectralight bulbs)(from Home Depot again), two 36" bulbs (from The
Fish Store in Seattle), one is a 10,000K light, the other is a full
spectrum bulb and a 11 watt (~7 bulb)compact flourescent bulb (from
Home
Depot) at one end. This tank is much darker than my other 100
gallon
tank, but, it is also much heavier planted with anubias, java fern
and
bulbitus. I really like the way my fish with blue colors show up in
this tank. I have some peacocks and C. Moorii in this tank that are
dynamite to look at. However, my clown loaches do now show well in
this
tank at all. The plants in this tank grow very slowly, but, I have
very
little algae build up on the tank walls too and I like the low
maitenance of that.
I have been experimenting with my other two tanks, a 55 hexagon and
another 100 gallon tank and cannot get a combination of lighting
that
works well at slowing the algae growth in them. Part of the reason
for
this I believe is the amount of natural light these two tanks see.
Soooo, I am not sure it would be helpful to explain what the
lighting
is
on these two, other than to say, neither tank has a 10,000K light on
them.
Finally, your question about shifting the lighting to simulate dawn
to
dusk sounds interesting from a visual perspective. I have a
neighbor
with a system that does this on her reef tank. It is computer
controlled and simulates the moon phases, as well as the daylight
hours
throughout the year. Major money in her system, but, it is cool to
watch with her corals and such....the corals and other live critters
do
react to the changes in light and you can see them do it. On a
plant
tank I am not sure you can see any reaction other than the fish
finding
a sleeping place for the night. I would like to hear how this all
goes
for you when you have it up and running the way you would like to
have
it.
Clay
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Subject: [GSAS-Member] Using Actinic/Blue Lights in Freshwater
Thanks for all the responses.
Clay- What exactly is your light config? Are you using the 10000K
lights
and if so what is the color cast (I think it is a bluish white)? It
sounded like you used the 10000K or 10000K/Deep Blue combo lights
with
a
6700K or 5000K light. Is this correct?
I am currently using the AH supply retrofit kit 4 x 96 watt CF
bulbs.
One pair of 5000K and one pair of 6700K. I run the lights on a cycle
of
the pair of 5000K lights turning on for 5 hrs or so and the pair of
6700K lights taking over for another 5 hours with some overlap with
all
4 of the lights on for 0.5 hrs or so. I like the change that occurs
with
the different lights but although the CRI is quite high with the
5000K
&
6700K lights I wondered if the 10000K or lights might make the fish
look
better. I tend to like a bluer light despite my having pretty white
lights now.
I am thinking that the dawn to dusk effect of using a set of
1000K/Deep
Blue lights for 3 hours switching to the 6700K lights for 5 then
back
to
the 1000K/Deep Blue lights will achieve this. What do you think?
I don't have a lot of plants other than annubus and a couple of java
fern, but they do not grow much. I believe that I don't have enough
CO2
in the water because of my wet/dry trickle filter and my main
interest
is the fish.
Thanks again,
Al
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