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Re: [GSAS-Member] Dwarf Frogs

Do you have an undergravel filter in it? Maybe it is full of mulm that is dissolving into the tank. Happens a lot. Also are you feeding any spirulina tabs? They cloud the water fast if not eaten. I have a new theory on UG filters, they are great mini pallets for keeping boxes off the basement floor. More often than not they have been causing problems for people I know, trapping solid particles and releasing them as liquid waste, frustrating the growth of plants or aquarists trying to remove well rooted plants, trapping and killing fry, etc. If you don't want to tear down the tank and remove a UG filter you can dig down to the plate and clear the gravel (blowing it away with a turkey baster gets the straggler pieces) then remove the uplift tube and shove a siphon down there and try and remove the mulm. Might have to do it on both ends of the tank to get it all. It is shocking how much brown goo is usually in there after a year. Don't know if a full UG filter would result in the rest of the waste sitting on the gravel. The blood worms in a block might be a problem too, are they frozen? Some people thaw them in a cup, strain it through a net and drop the worms in the tank and flush the juice as it is full of dissolved nutrients that decompose. Or maybe they are not eating all the worms. Don't know squat about the frogs, sorry :) The crab sounds really cool though! 
Kate



A JACOBSON wrote:


I've got 2 dwarf frogs as permanent inhabitants in my 20 gal quarantine tank.  Once every other 
day I feed them a block of blood words, & they are both fat & happy afterwards.  There 
are only a few other permanent residents of that tank - two monk tetras, a botia stratia, and a 
clown pleco.  Oh, & a small red crab that shows up whenever I put in shrimp pellets.  Right 
now 6 cherry barbs & 2 flying foxes (all very small) are being quarantined there.  Other 
than the blood worms, I am feeding that tank flakes, and occasionally a few shrimp pellets, 
just to confirm that the crab is still alive.

That tank, unlike every other tank I have, gets extremely fouled from week to week, 
even though I'm doing 25% water changes each week religiously.  The water is clear, 
but this junk (can't think of a better description) piles up on the substrate, 
mainly accumulating where I feed the frogs, & an area they like to hide in.

Are they the cause of this tremendous water fouling?  Should I separate them 
into 2 tanks to keep it down?  Or should I just ask someone on the list if they 
want a dwarf frog?

Anita (who is not looking forward to trying to trap one of these fast frogs)
----- Original Message ----- From: Hess, Clay A<mailto:clay.a.hess@boeing.com> To: gsas-member@thekrib.com<mailto:gsas-member@thekrib.com> Sent: Saturday, October 16, 2004 7:25 PM 
 Subject: RE: [GSAS-Member] Using Actinic/Blue Lights in Freshwater


 Anita,

 Gotcha.  I would agree a 3 hour dawn or dusk cycle is a bit
 lengthy....though I would love to see it, if I had the right sunset or
 sunrise.....would be cool to watch.
 My friend that owns the saltwater tank with the wild computer driven
 lighting and heating system on it is from Hawaii and he is a
 she.......~~laughing~~.......I know, too much info.

 Clay

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From: A JACOBSON [mailto:amjacobson52@msn.com] Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2004 11:26 PM 
 To: Greater Seattle Aquarium Society member chat
 Subject: Re: [GSAS-Member] Using Actinic/Blue Lights in Freshwater


 I wasn't actually addressing you, but somewhere early in this thread
 someone said "I am thinking that the dawn to dusk effect of using a set
 of 1000K/Deep Blue lights for 3 hours switching to the 6700K lights for
 5 then back to the 1000K/Deep Blue lights will achieve this. What do you
 think?"  A delayed reaction, I'll admit, but your description of your
 friend with the really cool light cycle on his tank (which sounded
 perfect) reminded me of my original concern when reading about a 3 hour
 dawn & a 3 hour dusk.

 Anita
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   Subject: RE: [GSAS-Member] Using Actinic/Blue Lights in Freshwater


   Anita,

   I am not sure if you are talking about the time I have my lights on or
   something else.  But, I am not trying to simulate any cycle with my
   fish.  The vast majority of my fish were bred in tanks  here the
 states,
   for who knows how many generations, and I am not sure they would
   recognize a cycle if shown one now....~~laughing~~.  My neighbors tank
   does simulate the dawn to dusk cycle according to the tropics,
   specifically the tropical Pacific, since that is where the majority of
   her fish came from.  I don't know how that affects her fish.  She
 might,
   I have never asked her though.  Could be an interesting question
 though.

   Clay

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From: A JACOBSON [mailto:amjacobson52@msn.com] Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2004 9:43 PM 
   To: Greater Seattle Aquarium Society member chat
   Subject: Re: [GSAS-Member] Using Actinic/Blue Lights in Freshwater


   I have a little problem with the long dawn / dusk periods, at least
 from
   a theoretical standpoint.  At the equator dawn & dusk are very short
 --
   the farther away from the equator, the longer the transitional
 periods.
   If we're talking about tropical fish, I would think the equatorial
 model
   would be closer to what they would naturally encounter.  If you had a
   species only tank, it might be neat to find out how long dawn/dusk
 lasts
   in the area they come from, and duplicate that.

   Those natural moon cycles are incredibly cool, though.

   Anita
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     Subject: RE: [GSAS-Member] Using Actinic/Blue Lights in Freshwater


     Al,

     Yes, you are correct.  I actually have a combination of a number of
     various spectrum lights on three different aquariums.  Each seems to
   do
     well, two of the tanks have the 10,000K lights on them, one is a
 combo
     10,000K/6700K bulb I believe.  I do not cycle my lights relative to
   one
     another, they all come on in the morning (~5am)and are on til about
   11pm
     at night.  I do not currently use CO2 on any of my tanks. And, I do
   not
     have a wet/dry filter on any of these tanks at this time, they
   primarily
     use back filters.

     My one 100 gallon tank has, the 10,000K/6700K combo light and a
 5000K
     bulb on one side of it (all from AH supply) and the other side is 5
 13
     watt compact flourescent lights that replace 5 standard 60 watt
     incandescent bulbs (put together from Home Depot parts).  I flip
 these
     two hoods from side to side on the tank about every other month.  I
     really like the look of the fish under the combo light side, the
 "Home
     Depot" side is much yellower and not as bright.  The "Home Depot"
 side
     tends to produce more algae, but, the plants grow faster too.  SO,if
 I
     flip the two sides back and forth it seems to control the algae
 better
     and lets the plants have bursts of growth and then slow periods as
   well
     with nothing dying. The fish in this tank include a number of
 rainbows
     and tetras that look really good in the combo light, but, not so
 good
     under the "Home Depot" lights. This tank has sword plants, crypts,
     anubias, floating plants and some java fern.  This tank has very
   little
     algae growth on the walls of the tank too.

     Another 100 gallon tank has a mix of two 4 foot shop lights
     (Spectralight bulbs)(from Home Depot again), two 36" bulbs (from The
     Fish Store in Seattle), one is a 10,000K light, the other is a full
     spectrum bulb and a 11 watt (~7 bulb)compact flourescent bulb (from
   Home
     Depot) at one end.  This tank is much darker than my other 100
 gallon
     tank, but, it is also much heavier planted with anubias, java fern
 and
     bulbitus.  I really like the way my fish with blue colors show up in
     this tank.  I have some peacocks and C. Moorii in this tank that are
     dynamite to look at.  However, my clown loaches do now show well in
   this
     tank at all.  The plants in this tank grow very slowly, but, I have
   very
     little algae build up on the tank walls too and I like the low
     maitenance of that.

     I have been experimenting with my other two tanks, a 55 hexagon and
     another 100 gallon tank and cannot get a combination of lighting
 that
     works well at slowing the algae growth in them.  Part of the reason
   for
     this I believe is the amount of natural light these two tanks see.
     Soooo, I am not sure it would be helpful to explain what the
 lighting
   is
     on these two, other than to say, neither tank has a 10,000K light on
     them.

     Finally, your question about shifting the lighting to simulate dawn
 to
     dusk sounds interesting from a visual perspective.  I have a
 neighbor
     with a system that does this on her reef tank.  It is computer
     controlled and simulates the moon phases, as well as the daylight
   hours
     throughout the year.  Major money in her system, but, it is cool to
     watch with her corals and such....the corals and other live critters
   do
     react to the changes in light and you can see them do it.  On a
 plant
     tank I am not sure you can see any reaction other than the fish
   finding
     a sleeping place for the night.  I would like to hear how this all
   goes
     for you when you have it up and running the way you would like to
 have
     it.

     Clay

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     Subject: [GSAS-Member] Using Actinic/Blue Lights in Freshwater


     Thanks for all the responses.

     Clay- What exactly is your light config? Are you using the 10000K
   lights
     and if so what is the color cast (I think it is a bluish white)? It
     sounded like you used the 10000K or 10000K/Deep Blue combo lights
 with
   a
     6700K or 5000K light. Is this correct?

     I am currently using the AH supply retrofit kit 4 x 96 watt CF
 bulbs.
     One pair of 5000K and one pair of 6700K. I run the lights on a cycle
   of
     the pair of 5000K lights turning on for 5 hrs or so and the pair of
     6700K lights taking over for another 5 hours with some overlap with
   all
     4 of the lights on for 0.5 hrs or so. I like the change that occurs
   with
     the different lights but although the CRI is quite high with the
 5000K
   &
     6700K lights I wondered if the 10000K or lights might make the fish
   look
     better. I tend to like a bluer light despite my having pretty white
     lights now.

     I am thinking that the dawn to dusk effect of using a set of
   1000K/Deep
     Blue lights for 3 hours switching to the 6700K lights for 5 then
 back
   to
     the 1000K/Deep Blue lights will achieve this. What do you think?

     I don't have a lot of plants other than annubus and a couple of java
     fern, but they do not grow much. I believe that I don't have enough
   CO2
     in the water because of my wet/dry trickle filter and my main
 interest
     is the fish.

     Thanks again,

     Al

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