Re: [GSAS-Member] Using a Python

[Adam Perry <pentium0@gmail.com>]

i agree with your advice (keep it simple, e.g. don't treat for
ailments you don't have)
re: slime coat, i just read that it's good to have their slime coat in
top form (thickest?) if there's any sickness present in the
population.
Didn't see the cheap pond dechlorinator at Lowe's today, so will try HomeDepot.
 - adam


On Tue, 07 Dec 2004 12:54:24 -0800, Kate Breimayer <kate@munat.com> wrote:
> Hi,
> I don't know if the fish need any additions to their slime coat, seems
> like making more slime is a sign of irritation. I don't know, I just
> don't trust any company offering remedies for conditions I am not aware
> exist. I do see a need for slime coat protection if you are physically
> handling a large fish to do some vet procedure on it but my tetras or
> rasboras, I don't know if they need anything like that. Don't know if my
> fish are any better off than anyone elses though.
> I use salt in all my tanks though, it's supposed to help with the
> osmotic functions of various membranes including the gills leading to
> reduced stress and seems to keep ich and oodinium down. I use a 12
> gallon bin to age water with 4 tbsp pure salt (pickling salt, which has
> no anti clumping agents) and 1 tsp marine aquarium salt for added
> minerals. My tap water is very soft/acid and the minerals help both fry
> and plants. If you are on a hard water system that would be unnecessary.
> Lately I have been adding some harder water fish to the fishroom and
> making up a bin with 4 tsp marine salt and a tbsp of cichlid salt from
> The Cichlid Exchange in Portland. It's an experiment really, all my
> guppies and endlers were coming out female so thought I would play with
> minerals and temp and see if I can get the ratio improved. Anyone have
> feedback on that? The genetics of sex determination in livebearers are
> really weird, it's not an XX or XY thing, it's a YY, WX, WY etc weird
> thing where three different combos produce females and two produce
> males. So what makes a swordtail a girl or a boy? According to various
> universities it makes a great thesis project as nobody really knows...
> I found a funny site parodying all the miracle products in various fish
> stores/websites. You would not believe some of the stuff that gets
> pushed down the throats of people. We had a guy send us hundreds of
> dollars in miracle products from Texas. We didn't order but signed for
> them so he threatened to sue if we didn't pay. Promised to add
> beneficial bacteria to marine and freshwater tanks and eliminate losses.
> Tried it and lost whole tanks of fish. It has a lot of debris in it and
> is light brown, no ingredients are listed except "Bacteria". This stuff
> is garbage, and there is a lot of garbage on the market so I try and
> keep it simple. Neutralize the chlorine, add known ingredients like salt
> and minerals, and lay off the sauce.
> This is the site with the parody, also has some funny puns at the end,
> or should I say "finny" puns:
> http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/6279/ComicFunnyStories.html
> Kate
> 
> 
> 
> Trish wrote:
> 
> >Amquel has come out with something new Calked "Amquel
> >Plus" this is what smells really bad. The regular
> >"Amquel" which now I have found only from Dr Foster
> >and Smith, and only in 1 gal size, doesn't smell bad.
> >The Amqel Plus has other added bacteria, which says it
> >is benificial to your fish....well it killed mine. So
> >I am back to regular Amquel....have been using it for
> >6 years, no problems.
> >
> >No Kate, do you use anything for slime coat as well?
> >Like Nov Aqua? Which goes with the Amquel.....LOL
> >
> >Trish
> >
> >PS How large does this Beckett product come? Also do
> >you know the price?
> >--- Kate Breimayer <kate@munat.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >>I personally hate amquel, wouldn't recommend it. I
> >>use a pond
> >>dechlorinator from Home despot. If you are using
> >>chlorinated water the
> >>chemical that neutralizes it is very cheap and
> >>easily available and
> >>there is no reason you should have to use high doses
> >>of any product or
> >>extra ingredients to achieve the aim of
> >>neutralizing, and pond products
> >>are 2 to 4 times as concentrated as those for
> >>aquariums, come in bigger
> >>bottles for the same price, and have identical
> >>ingredients in most
> >>cases. Some of the products out there can be
> >>dangerous in some peoples'
> >>hands, especially those that use amquel instead of
> >>doing water changes
> >>(because it says on the bottle "removes ammonia,
> >>nitrite and nitrate"
> >>which has never been my experience.) Also Amquel
> >>smells really bad.
> >>PAT is good.
> >>According to a Jemco.com many cities are being
> >>required by federal law
> >>to switch to chloramine  which is more difficult to
> >>remove, you will
> >>need a special neutralizer for that. If they do it
> >>they are not required
> >>to tell you, scary, or it might be in the paper but
> >>if you don't read
> >>the news... bad deal.
> >>I age most of my water 2 days to allow gasses to
> >>escape, temp to rise,
> >>and chlorine to dissipate. I only use cold water
> >>since supposedly it has
> >>less dissolved metals/contaminants. I don't have
> >>space to age water for
> >>the really large tanks, hence the use of the Home
> >>Despot product. The
> >>Home Depot stuff is by "Beckett" and I have not had
> >>any problems with
> >>it, let me know if anyone knows bad things about it!
> >>I see it also works
> >>on chloramine so I am covered far as that goes. It
> >>doesn't list
> >>ingredients but does say it removes some heavy
> >>metals. Guess we wouldn't
> >>know would we?
> >>Congrats on the python, no sense herniating discs
> >>over a simple water
> >>change! The cost of the python is quickly recouped
> >>in cancelled trips to
> >>massage and chiropractic specialists! :) Not to
> >>mention expensive
> >>physical therapy...
> >>Kate
> >>
> >>Stewart, Jeffrey wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>I think I'm using Amquel currently, and I add it in
> >>>
> >>>
> >>as I'm refilling.  I figure out approximately how
> >>much I need to add and then add it in thirds as the
> >>tank slowly tops off.
> >>
> >>
> >>>Your back will thank you for getting the python...
> >>>
> >>>Jeff Stewart
> >>>
> >>>-----Original Message-----
> >>>From: gsas-member-bounces@thekrib.com
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> >>>
> >>[mailto:gsas-member-bounces@thekrib.com] On Behalf
> >>Of A JACOBSON
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> >>>Sent: Monday, December 06, 2004 12:55 PM
> >>>To: gsas-member@thekrib.com
> >>>Subject: [GSAS-Member] Using a Python
> >>>
> >>>So, I'm about to break down and buy a python -- or
> >>>
> >>>
> >>rather, my back is about
> >>
> >>
> >>>to break down, so I'm going to buy a python to save
> >>>
> >>>
> >>it.
> >>
> >>
> >>>I have Seattle tap water, and need to know what to
> >>>
> >>>
> >>do about dechlorination.
> >>
> >>
> >>>Do I add the agent to the tank after I've siphoned
> >>>
> >>>
> >>off what I'm not going to
> >>
> >>
> >>>use, but before I add the new water?  Or do I wait
> >>>
> >>>
> >>until I've added all the
> >>
> >>
> >>>water, and then add the agent?
> >>>
> >>>Also, want to know what people are personally using
> >>>
> >>>
> >>for their water change
> >>
> >>
> >>>dechlorinator.  I have P.A.T. and Stress Coat, but
> >>>
> >>>
> >>am unsure if one is
> >>
> >>
> >>>superior to the other.
> >>>
> >>>Thanks,
> >>>
> >>>Anita
> >>>
> >>>
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