What people are willing to dish out to other people and to animals is discouraging. Chickens that produce our eggs are not given enough room to move around, and have their beaks removed to prevent damage to other chickens. They become aggressive because of that captivity. Calves raised for veal are held in pens where they are not even allowed to support their own weight. Pigs, which are considered among the smartest animals, are equally mistreated in pork prduction. Perhaps the closest thing to this that humans experience is solitary confinement in prison cells. The jailers in the US prisons in Guantanamo do not think anything of torturing human beings. You can imagine what they would do to animals. What can we do? Show by example how to treat pets, treating those in our care as kindly as possible, and sharing our opinions with others. GSAS members are good at doing all of these things. At a GSAS meeting, a speaker we had from the aqurium products industry said it is illegal in England to sell fish tanks less than a gallon in size. We could propose similar legislation if we decide as a group that is a priority. John On Jul 27, 2006, at 9:28 AM, Rick Rose wrote: Hi, I recently received this inquiry and I thought it would be a fresh topic for discussion. I'll summarize the responses and provide them to the individual who is asking. Hello! I was in a crafts store (ACMoore) the other day and saw that they were selling large clear glass vases with instructions to fill it with water and buy dwarf african clawed frogs in it along with a peace lily plant whose roots have been thoroughly cleaned of all soil. This is similar to the "War and Peace" setups that were popular some time ago using beta fish. I want to know your opinion about this. Is it cruel to the frogs (and to the beta fish for that matter)? I would enjoy doing this and observing the frogs if I thought I was doing no harm and that they would be happy in this environment. Thank you for your advice. <name> Thanks, RIck _______________________________________________ GSAS-Member mailing list GSAS-Member@thekrib.com http://lists.thekrib.com/mailman/listinfo/gsas-member Dr. John F. Ruhland The Natural Health Medical Clinic 4002 - 25th Avenue S, Seattle, WA 98108 206-723-4891 www.drruhland.com _______________________________________________ GSAS-Member mailing list GSAS-Member@thekrib.com http://lists.thekrib.com/mailman/listinfo/gsas-member