Re: [GSAS-Member] Your Opinion...

["matt kaufman" <igotadose@hotmail.com>]

In england, it's the goal of the greenies and other nutbars to outlaw keeping 
of *any* pets. The amount of grief they give hobbyists, who in many cases are 
expert in husbandry of the animals in question, far more so than academics or 
'professionals', is absurd and harmful to the animals.
 
Your proposal is meritless. Plenty of fish do just fine in sub-1 gallon 
containers. Koi have traveled in space in containers containing fewer than 1 
gallon of water (I think around a quart.) Killies in a space shuttle reproduced 
in space (first vertebrate mating in space) in a small container and this 
yielded viable offspring from which numerous generations have followed
 
Would you propose the same thing the greenies have passed into law, that you 
*cannot* display fish in bags (a corollary of this mad hatter proposal of 
yours, since most small bags hold less than 1 gallon of water). How do you do a 
fish auction then? See how this works? No fish auctions == no organized hobbies 
== loss of key habitat and husbandry and conservation information (most if not 
all provided by hobbyists.)Let's keep the damn government out of my hobby. 
Nothing good will come of it.



> From: john@drruhland.com> Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 12:42:14 -0700> To: 
> gsas-member@thekrib.com> Subject: Re: [GSAS-Member] Your Opinion...> > What 
> people are willing to dish out to other people and to animals is > 
> discouraging.> > Chickens that produce our eggs are not given enough room to 
> move > around, and have their beaks removed to prevent damage to other > 
> chickens.  They become aggressive because of that captivity. Calves > raised 
> for veal are held in pens where they are not even allowed to > support their 
> own weight. Pigs, which are considered among the smartest > animals, are 
> equally mistreated in pork prduction. Perhaps the closest > thing to this 
> that humans experience is solitary confinement in prison > cells. The jailers 
> in the US prisons in Guantanamo do not think > anything of torturing human 
> beings. You can imagine what they would do > to animals.> > What can we do? 
> Show by example how to treat pets, treating those in > our care as kindly as 
> possible, and sharing our opinions with others. > GSAS members are good at 
> doing all of these things. At a GSAS meeting, > a speaker we had from the 
> aqurium products industry said it is illegal > in England to sell fish tanks 
> less than a gallon in size. We could > propose similar legislation if we 
> decide as a group that is a priority.> > John> > > > > On Jul 27, 2006, at 
> 9:28 AM, Rick Rose wrote:> > Hi,> > > > I recently received this inquiry and 
> I thought it would be a fresh > topic for> discussion.  I'll summarize the 
> responses and provide them to the > individual> who is asking.> > > > > > 
> Hello!  I was in a crafts store (ACMoore) the other day and saw that > they> 
> were selling large clear glass vases with instructions to fill it with > 
> water> and buy dwarf african clawed frogs in it along with a peace lily plant 
> > whose> roots have been thoroughly cleaned of all soil.  This is similar to 
> the > "War> and Peace" setups that were popular some time ago using beta 
> fish.> > > > I want to know your opinion about this.  Is it cruel to the 
> frogs (and > to> the beta
 fish for that matter)?  I would enjoy doing this and observing > the> frogs if 
I thought I was doing no harm and that they would be happy in > this> 
environment.> > > > Thank you for your advice.> > <name>> > > > > > Thanks,> > 
RIck> > > > _______________________________________________> GSAS-Member 
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http://lists.thekrib.com/mailman/listinfo/gsas-member> > > >  >  > Dr. John F. 
Ruhland> The Natural Health Medical Clinic> 4002 - 25th Avenue S, Seattle, WA 
98108> 206-723-4891> www.drruhland.com> > > 
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