What Dave said. Normal gardneri (Fundulopanchax gardneri, or older types sometimes use Aphyosemion gardneri) are trivially easy to sex - the females are colorless while the males resplendent in reds, blues and yellows. I think you mean clown killies as in 'epiplatys annulatus', a smallish, vertically barred killie. Look around for online images like http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.elacuarista.com/atlas/images/Epiplatys_annulatus_casal2.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.elacuarista.com/atlas/A/aplocheilus_annulatus.htm&h=307&w=540&sz=16&hl=en&start=12&tbnid=BBnRiHW0u20YaM:&tbnh=75&tbnw=132&prev=/images%3Fq%3Depiplatys%2Bannulatus%26svnum%3D10%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DG which has the male above the female. As for obtaining those, well, actually I've been looking for some pairs myself locally to no effect. You might consider attending the West Coast Weekend killifish show in April in Portland, there are bound to be lots of really cool killies there. Details: http://aka.org/nwk/modules/tinyD0/ If these are your first killies, Epiplatys annulatus is a bit of a tricky one to keep and breed. The best way is to have several tanks set up with snail-free hydra-free floating plants like Water sprite or hornwort, fairly thick covers, and feed the adults newly hatched baby brine shrimp till you start seeing juveniles appear, then move the adults to another tank and repeat the process until you have a lot of fry. Small tanks like 2.5 gallons work fine, room temp-ish (68-75), soft water, mild filtration (no power filters or whatnot, a small box or sponge filter.) > From: Sanfordd@issaquah.wednet.edu> To: gsas-member@thekrib.com> Date: Mon, > 29 Jan 2007 12:45:47 -0800> Subject: Re: [GSAS-Member] Seeking Female > Gardneri Clown Killifish> > There are many varieties of gardneri killies, but > I've never heard of> "clown" in reference to them. There is a clown killie, > but it's> Pseudoepiplatys annulatus.> dave> > -----Original Message-----> > From: Shango Los [mailto:Shango@shangolos.com] > Sent: Monday, January 29, > 2007 12:12 PM> To: gsas-member@thekrib.com> Subject: [GSAS-Member] Seeking > Female Gardneri Clown Killifish> > Hi there,> I have so far unsuccessful > finding a female. If you know of a local shop> that can order this fish or an > online provider willing to sell a sexed> single or if you have one yourself, > please point me in the right direction.> I understand that they are really, > really, hard to sex which is why no one> will sell them as guaranteed.> I > guess, if you know for sure you can sex them on sight, let me know that> too. > A Place for Pets gets them but doesn't sell them sexed. I need to> bring my > own expert.> Thanks> Shango> > > > > > > _______________________________________________> GSAS-Member mailing list> > GSAS-Member@thekrib.com> > http://lists.thekrib.com/mailman/listinfo/gsas-member> > _______________________________________________> GSAS-Member mailing list> > GSAS-Member@thekrib.com> http://lists.thekrib.com/mailman/listinfo/gsas-member _________________________________________________________________ 3D maps are here! Get amazing views of major cities. http://maps.live.com/?wip=51 _______________________________________________ GSAS-Member mailing list GSAS-Member@thekrib.com http://lists.thekrib.com/mailman/listinfo/gsas-member