Re: [GSAS-Member] Spotless Gold Killi Question

["Shango Los" <Shango@shangolos.com>]

Wow, Matt.

I really appreciate the detail of your explanation.  Very appreciated.

Shango

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Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 3:46 PM
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Subject: Re: [GSAS-Member] Spotless Gold Killi Question

Sigh.
.
 
There is a strain of Aphyosemion australe Orange (itself, a "class 1 mutant"
of the original, wild and quite attractive form) that's now in 'production'
called 'spotless orange.' So, it's a mutant, of a mutant.
There's also Aphyosemion australe Gold(itself ....). Usually, the 'gold'
Australe are lighter colored than 'orange' Australe, but people are very
sloppy about names and I've seen fish I'd consider 'gold' australe that were
orange, and vice-versa, though of late, I mostly see Orange australe. 
 
I haven't heard of 'Spotless Gold'. Perhaps, it too, is a mutant form of the
already mutant "Gold Australe." Or simply a misnaming of the Mutant II
"Spotless Orange" australe. 
 
There's no accepted standards on any of this, so you're dealing with what
some hobbyist or breeder thought was an interesting fish. AKA, for instance,
doesn't have any naming standards for cultivars.
 
And, as you rightfully point out, there is a strain of Gardneri N'sukka that
showed up in hobbyist tanks as 'Gold Gardneri (so, a class 1 mutant). There
are other strains of Gardneri like 'Albino Gardneri' (another class 1
mutant.)
 
But, in nature, there aren't *any* gold killies. Non. Zip. Zero. Nada. Gold
killies are like, well, Flowerhorns (uggh!) and bubble eye goldfish and
fancy bettas. Mutants that have been selectively chosen for their
"attractiveness."
 
Here's what I'd do if I were interested in perpetuating this. Select the
most attractive killies to your eye that you see at the shop. Breed them
till you get 'true' (in your opinion) lines that provide the aesthetic you
desire, and call them "Shango Los's line of nice orange australe." This has
as much gravitas as Spotless/stripeless/orange/gold/flowerhorn australe as
anything else.
 
Matt (my sentiments leaking through. Keep wild forms, they're very
attractive :-) )
 
 



> From: Shango@shangolos.com> To: gsas-member@thekrib.com> Date: Mon, 21 May
2007 14:53:02 -0700> Subject: [GSAS-Member] Spotless Gold Killi Question> >
> > A Place for Pets has a couple of pair of gorgeous Spotless Gold (Aph>
austral) killi. I am looking at them online though and the photos I see>
online show all sorts of body markings that are not on the fish I saw. The>
pics online make it look more like a gold Gardneri.> > > >
http://www.aquahobby.com/gallery/e_australe.php> > > > Am I confusing two
different species or do all those body markings come as> he matures because
he is "spotless" right now? I like the idea of the> bright solid orange
killi and want it to stay that way. Please let me know> if anyone can help
me sort this out.> > > > Thanks> > Shango> >
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