In a sump is really good too. That's where I hope to put my someday soon! Susan -----Original Message----- From: gsas-member-bounces@thekrib.com [mailto:gsas-member-bounces@thekrib.com] On Behalf Of Hess, Clay A Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2007 9:26 PM To: Greater Seattle Aquarium Society member chat Subject: Re: [GSAS-Member] Heater Goes Where As long as there is reasonable circulation within your tank from your filtration system the temperature of your water will be extremely consistant. If you have no water movement within your tank, then, yes, you will have "hot spots". The key to me keeping my heaters near the bottom of the tank in a horizontal position is how I change water in my tank and my poor memory. I like doing my water changes at approximately 75% or the tank water at a time. Thus, I drain it with a syphon until the tank is 3/4's empty and then refill it. This can be hazardous on heaters depending on their location. Horizontally located heaters, 3" above the substrate, are still below water level when I drain a tank 3/4's of the way. Thus, I do not have to worry about exposing a heater when I change water in a tank. I have broken more than one heater by draining a tank to change the water, when the heater was positioned vertically within the tank. I have been cautioned by pet stores not to place heaters horizontally as they say the heater element is more likely to fail if I do this. I have had one horizontally mounted Ebo Jaeger heater stick in the on position, in 30+ years of keeping fish. There was no way for me to tell if the heater sticking was due to the heater position or not, however. My favorite location for heaters now is outside the tank. Tetra makes a back filter where you can keep the heater in the filter. This makes for a very clean appearance in a tank. And, by leaving the filter on while draining my tank I can keep enough water in the back filter to not damage the heater. However, if the filter stops working for any reason, there is no heat in the tank at that point. Guess the point of all this is, there is no one good place for a heater within a tank. The good news is, with no one good place for a heater, any place you put it is good so long as the fish are comfortable. Clay -----Original Message----- From: Rick Rose [mailto:rick-rose@comcast.net] Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 11:20 PM To: 'Greater Seattle Aquarium Society member chat' Subject: Re: [GSAS-Member] Heater Goes Where My reasoning would be... Heat rises, so rather than responding to the temperature of the entire water volume (as it would in the horizontal position,) in the vertical position, the sensor would be fooled by the warmed water coming up from the element and prematurely turn-off. It would probably cycle on/off much more often - never efficiently heating the water and possibly wearing out the heater switch more quickly. My 2 cents worth, Rick -----Original Message----- From: gsas-member-bounces@thekrib.com [mailto:gsas-member-bounces@thekrib.com] On Behalf Of Shango Los Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 6:43 PM To: 'Greater Seattle Aquarium Society member chat' Subject: [GSAS-Member] Heater Goes Where Hi all, I have always learned that the heater in a 30 gallon should go horizontal about 3 inches above the bottom of the tank. I have a tank set up where that location is less than optimum. I would like to move it to vertical about 5 inches from the wall on the opposite side of the tank from the filter. Seems to me there shouldn't be much difference. Is there any sage reason why the heater should really stay horizontal 3 inches off the bottom? Thanks Shango ________________________________________________________ Shango Los Phone: 206-595-9006 Fax: 206-729-5271 www.ShangoLos.com www.SunbreakShines.com _______________________________________________ GSAS-Member mailing list GSAS-Member@thekrib.com http://lists.thekrib.com/mailman/listinfo/gsas-member _______________________________________________ GSAS-Member mailing list GSAS-Member@thekrib.com http://lists.thekrib.com/mailman/listinfo/gsas-member _______________________________________________ GSAS-Member mailing list GSAS-Member@thekrib.com http://lists.thekrib.com/mailman/listinfo/gsas-member _______________________________________________ GSAS-Member mailing list GSAS-Member@thekrib.com http://lists.thekrib.com/mailman/listinfo/gsas-member