Re: [GSAS-Member] Clown Loach / Malaysian Snails

["Hess, Clay A" <clay.a.hess@boeing.com>]

Soooo, another thought....my clowns tore holes in many of my
plants....the only plants I found they left completely alone were the
anubias I have now.  Hopefully others have had better luck with large
clowns. 

-----Original Message-----
From: Shango Los [mailto:Shango@shangolos.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 1:38 PM
To: 'Greater Seattle Aquarium Society member chat'
Subject: Re: [GSAS-Member] Clown Loach / Malaysian Snails

I definitely noticed my plants are happier with the Malaysian snails in
the tank.  The have overpopulated though because they are growing
unchecked.  I hope that the Clowns will check those little buggers.

-----Original Message-----
From: gsas-member-bounces@thekrib.com
[mailto:gsas-member-bounces@thekrib.com] On Behalf Of Hess, Clay A
Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 1:31 PM
To: Greater Seattle Aquarium Society member chat
Subject: Re: [GSAS-Member] Clown Loach Maturity and Skittishness

Shango,

I was bummed about it.....I really liked my trumpet snails and couldn't
believe that they had been decimated in such a short time.

Clay 

-----Original Message-----
From: Monica H [mailto:ninita@hotmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 1:28 PM
To: gsas-member@thekrib.com
Subject: Re: [GSAS-Member] Clown Loach Maturity and Skittishness

Wow!  I'll have to get some.


>From: "Shango Los" <Shango@shangolos.com>
>Reply-To: Greater Seattle Aquarium Society member 
>chat<gsas-member@thekrib.com>
>To: "'Greater Seattle Aquarium Society member chat'" 
><gsas-member@thekrib.com>
>Subject: Re: [GSAS-Member] Clown Loach Maturity and Skittishness
>Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 13:23:45 -0700
>
>That is great news.  The Malaysians I have are determined to take over.
>They may have met their match!
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: gsas-member-bounces@thekrib.com
>[mailto:gsas-member-bounces@thekrib.com] On Behalf Of Hess, Clay A
>Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 1:19 PM
>To: Greater Seattle Aquarium Society member chat
>Subject: Re: [GSAS-Member] Clown Loach Maturity and Skittishness
>
>Shango,
>
>My clown loaches cleaned up every Malaysian Trumpet snail I had in my 
>100 gallon tank.  My tank used to be full of these snails when I was 
>keeping some of my first African Cichlids. When I introduced the clown 
>loaches the snails ended up as empty shells all throughout my gravel 
>within a very short time.
>
>Clay
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Shango Los [mailto:Shango@shangolos.com]
>Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 1:09 PM
>To: 'Greater Seattle Aquarium Society member chat'
>Subject: Re: [GSAS-Member] Clown Loach Maturity and Skittishness
>
>This discussion of Clown Loaches has been informative.  Thanks to 
>everyone who has weighed in helping me out.
>
>Does anyone know for sure of Clown Loaches will eat Malaysian Trumpet 
>snail along with regular snails?
>
>-Shango
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: gsas-member-bounces@thekrib.com
>[mailto:gsas-member-bounces@thekrib.com] On Behalf Of Hess, Clay A
>Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 8:58 AM
>To: Greater Seattle Aquarium Society member chat
>Subject: Re: [GSAS-Member] Clown Loach Maturity and Skittishness
>
>Shango,
>
>I have three clown loaches I have had now for about 20 years.  In that 
>time I have found that there are a number of things that make them more

>"Active" or skittish and some things that help them seem to settle
down.
>
>Sooooo, things that make them active:
>
>New fish, especially new loaches
>Bright lights
>Little cover for them to hide within
>Poor water conditions
>Having to look for food
>
>
>Things that make them settle down:
>
>Size.....not sure if this is age related since the two occur together.
>Good cover....my 100 gallon tank is full of big plants that they can 
>sit under the leaves of, and they seem to love that....as well as 
>hiding in and around large pieces of wood.
>Fish that do not occupy the same strata within the aquarium.
>A full stomach......kinda like me, if I eat a big meal I don't move 
>much.
>Illness
>
>
>So, this is a short list......there are many more things that impact 
>their activity but some of these I think the aquarist can control.  For

>instance, the feeding is an easy one.  The lighting is another.  The 
>cover within the tank is one.  Water conditions should be easy to 
>maintain, and this one I cannot stress enough (pun intended).  My 
>loaches do very well when the water quality is good, but, as it 
>declines you can see the change in how they react to it.
>
>Hope this helps some,
>
>Clay
>
>
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Shango Los [mailto:Shango@shangolos.com]
>Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 8:10 AM
>To: 'Greater Seattle Aquarium Society member chat'
>Subject: [GSAS-Member] Clown Loach Maturity and Skittishness
>
>Hello All,
>
>
>
>I have a school of 5 Clown fish and I got them about 8 weeks ago from 
>my LFS.  They are small and look young but I don't know how young.
>Right now they are VERY skittish.  If I come anywhere near the tank 
>they disappear to the back of the tank under cover.  This does get 
>tiring when trying to enjoy their antics.
>
>
>
>My friend has some that are at least a year older than mine and they 
>are not skittish at all and actually nap out in the open and do that 
>cuddling thing Clown Loaches do.
>
>
>
>Is this skittishness typical of young Clown Loaches?  If so, when do 
>they tend to grow out of it?  I am wondering if it is the tank 
>environment that is leaving them feeling unsafe or if it is simply 
>their youth.  I have been unsuccessful finding anyone addressing this 
>topic online.
>
>
>
>Any insight would be great.  I know some of you like Jack are really 
>into these sweet fish.
>
>
>
>Thanks
>
>Shango
>
>
>
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