Re: [GSAS-Member] Angels and Discus

[Linda Knapp <linda@bozuk.org>]

I did a tank cleanup and took out the angel fish this afternoon - I  
am going to try paying much closer attention to the discus food and  
see if I can get them back to a proper weight. I feel bad actually -  
I have never kept discus and although I read a lot and talked to  
people until Steve made the comment about how skinny the discus in  
the picture was I did not realize that my fish where too skinny. They  
are eating well so maybe without the Angels to compete for food they  
will get better.

I would like to get some internal discus medicine on hand though so  
maybe I could arrange to get some from you Susan?

BTW - Jack Wattley's cure for internal parasites is mashed fresh  
garlic with the food every day for a week or so (I have to double  
check) . I may try that..... At least I don't have to worry about  
garlic breath.

Linda

On Oct 19, 2007, at 3:57 PM, SUSAN WELENOFSKY wrote:

> If you fish has internal worms, you could try Levimosole. I have  
> some from when I treated my guppies. You soak their frozen food in  
> it and feed it to them. Even the smallest guppy fry were fine. I  
> have a lot of it as the only way I could find it was to order pig  
> dewormer. Let me know if you want some. It's the same medicine they  
> treat people with too, if they have parasites. In fact, I even used  
> it as I was worried about the aquarium water I got in my mouth from  
> siphoning.
>
> Susan
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: Matt Staroscik
>   To: Greater Seattle Aquarium Society member chat
>   Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 3:45 PM
>   Subject: Re: [GSAS-Member] Angels and Discus
>
>
>   Last time I looked in to this, I got "Gel-Tek Ultra Cure PX" for  
> internal
>   parasites.
>
>   Praziquantel 0.0057%
>   Flubenol 0.03%
>   Metronidazole 0.30%
>
>   It is supposed to be offered instead of food, but I was feeding  
> fish who
>   wouldn't take it that way so I had to soak their frozen food in  
> it. Sadly it
>   did not save them, I think they just didn't get enough meds from  
> the soak,
>   or I started too late. But if your discus will eat the product it  
> might
>   help.
>
>   - Matt S.
>
>   On 10/19/07, Linda Knapp <linda@bozuk.org> wrote:
>>
>> I think I am leaning towards taking the angels out. I guess the real
>> question is should I treat the discus with something? (assuming the
>> might have parasites)
>> Linda
>>
>> From my iPhone somewhere or other...
>> linda@bozuk.org
>>
>> On Oct 19, 2007, at 2:48 PM, "SUSAN WELENOFSKY"
>> <welenofsky@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Angels are more aggressive than discus. They will hog all the food
>>> leaving the discus little if any.
>>>
>>> Susan
>>>  ----- Original Message -----
>>>  From: HIRO TAK
>>>  To: Greater Seattle Aquarium Society member chat
>>>  Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 1:07 PM
>>>  Subject: Re: [GSAS-Member] Angels and Discus
>>>
>>>
>>>    I know it probably I am not in the position to give you my
>>> thought about your C*chlid question.
>>>    But here is what I READ about the mixing of Discus and Angelfish.
>>>
>>>  Like the fish store guy, the parasite or disease from Angelfish is
>>> always a concern.  Since the Discus is more delicate.  But like you
>>> said, your Angel should be clean.
>>>
>>>    And another concern is mentioned often is the food.  I think the
>>> Angel would out compete for food.  Since Discus is slower and more
>>> timid than Angels.  I would imagine even more so since your Discus
>>> are wild.
>>>    So it is possible that the Discus is not getting enough food.
>>>
>>>    Of course, there is always the possibility that the wild Discus
>>> have some kind of worm or parasite in their gut.
>>>
>>>    So I think any case keeping Discus and Angels is not a bad idea.
>>> Especially the Valuable wild Discus probably deserve their own tank
>>> if you have space.
>>>
>>>    I am not saying that keeping them together does not work and some
>>> people say they have no problem but not always seem to work.  And
>>> usually more Discus and few Angels.  And bigger Discus and smaller
>>> Angels.
>>>
>>>    This is just what I read.  And as you know I am just a bigger of
>>> world of C*chlids.
>>>
>>>    Hope someone like Steev would answer your parasite/disease
>>> question.
>>>
>>>
>>>  Linda Knapp <linda@bozuk.org> wrote: I have a couple of young wild
>>> heckel discus that I got this last
>>>  summer - They are up to about 4" but after Steve's talk I realized
>>>  they are too skinny (Thanks for that talk Steve - I have already  
>>> used
>>>  it! )
>>>
>>>  They are in a well planted 40 gallon with RAMS and Angels and some
>>>  plecos - Two of the angels have paired off and I plan to remove the
>>>  other angel. The water is at 6.6 PH and temp is 80.
>>>
>>>  The guy at the fish store claimed that discus and angels should not
>>>  be put together because the angels had some parasite that would
>>>  attack the discus (These angels are all my own bred and raises so I
>>>  find that questionable) He says I should remove all the angels.
>>>
>>>  I may do that anyway since the breeding pair are hogging the  
>>> tank now
>>>  but are there other reasons I should?
>>>
>>>  Should I remove the discus to a hospital tank - I have a 10 gallon
>>>  setup I could use to treat them and if so what would I treat them
>>>  for? There are no signs of problems except their being very skinny.
>>>
>>>  If I remove them to the hospital tank I would probably use salt to
>>>  treat them as well as raise the temp and try to feed them up more.
>>>
>>>  Any advice??
>>>
>>>  Linda
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