Re: [GSAS-Member] Need advice about my Gold Rams

[Linda Knapp <linda@bozuk.org>]

Btw: I was off at Blue Seirra in Issaquah and they had some nice  
looking gold rams for 7.99. I almost got some but I am trying to  
consolidate my space a bit!

 From my iPhone somewhere or other...
linda@bozuk.org

On Oct 22, 2007, at 10:35 AM, HIRO TAK <neon98102@yahoo.com> wrote:

>  Thanks for the advice Paul,
>
>  And congratulation for the spawn.
>
>  Now come to think of it, there were few small Corys in the tank  
> when they first spawned and I took them out on 2nd day or so.  And  
> 2nd spawn, there were no other fish and maybe they didn't had the  
> common enemy and she picked on him.  And they may need the dither  
> fish to vent the aggression.
>
>  And I know the both batch of eggs weren't good.  So I suspect the  
> male wasn't matured enough.  Just like most other fish, the female  
> mature earlier.
>
>  Humm, I guess I have to find the way and place to set another tank.
>
> Paul Wallace <pwallace@u.washington.edu> wrote: HIRO:
>
> I was lucky enough to have a pair acquired from Linda spawn 2 days  
> ago.  They dug a pit in the aqua soil and spawned ~ 40 eggs.  The  
> female is aggressive and chases away the rogue male while the male  
> from pair sits on the eggs while the female is out.
>
> I think this is important because the trio is in a 55gal tank with  
> lots of room and dither fish.  In the past i have kept pairs in 5  
> and 10 gal tanks but every so often one of the pair determines that  
> the other is an enemy and drives them off.  In a small take this  
> does not end well.
>
> So I would recommend upgrading to a 20 or 29 (Meridith reports  
> spawns on alternating sides with two pairs in her 29 gal) or pulling  
> out on adult right after spawning and the second after ~ 2 days of  
> wiggler.
>
> -Paul
>
> On Sun, 21 Oct 2007, HIRO TAK wrote:
>
>> Thanks for the kind word, Linda.  I appreciate it.  And I will keep  
>> trying.  And just try not to make same mistakes again.  And  
>> hopefully someday I can get some swarm of frys to grow.
>>
>>     
>>                                                                      
>> Hiro
>>
>>
>> Linda Knapp
> wrote: Sorry to hear he did not make it. But don't beat yourself up  
> too much
>> about what you should or should not have done. I think we would all
>> go crazy if we did that! It took quite a few pairs before I got some
>> rams to breed and I still do not have guaranteed results. They are
>> very frustrating.
>>
>> You'll get there don't worry!
>> Linda
>>
>>
>> On Oct 20, 2007, at 9:26 AM, HIRO TAK wrote:
>>
>>>  Thanks for your help Linda,
>>>
>>>  Unfortunately he left for bigger water in the sky.  Although I
>>> did increase the temperature but I think it was too late for him to
>>> recover.  Probably I should have removed him long time ago.  As
>>> soon as I notice him being pale.
>>>  And I had enough time to think about.  More and more I think
>>> about, I think he was picked by the female although I didn't see
>>> it.  And I should've separate them sooner.
>>>  I think what happened was she was ready to lay eggs but he was
>>> not totally ready yet.  Like many of the other fish, the female
>>> mature younger than the male.  And just like the first batch, I
>>> don't think these eggs are not developing.  Not to mention the time
>>> was short between the spawns.
>>>  Of course this is merely my guess but I think I maybe right.
>>>
>>>  For now, I think I'll keep her by herself until she fill up
>>> again.  Also add more plants and decoration to the tank although I
>>> thought I have enough but it probably better to have more hiding/
>>> escape  spots if and when the one abuse the other.  And if she
>>> does, I probably introduce the biggest most colorful male from the
>>> other tank.  And keep the close eyes on them.  Well I only have
>>> choice between the 2 but they have been coloring up more lately.
>>> Maybe because there are 2 males or maybe they get more food than
>>> used to be.  Since they are in the tank with the Albino Angels who
>>> know how to beg food from me all the time.  But whatever the case,
>>> they seem look bigger and more colorful than the male I just lost.
>>>  I guess the Rams are more feisty than I imagined.  I hope I can
>>> get the 2nd generation before I lose anymore.  I will definitely
>>> keep even closer eyes on them.  If a put the pair in the tank again.
>>>
>>> Linda Knapp
>> wrote: Yes it does sound grim.
>>> Normally I would add some salt and increase
>>> the temp and leave him in the same tank. I think I would still
>>> recommend increasing the temp a couple degrees. Not sure about salt
>>> but I bet it would be ok for the eggs as well as papa.
>>> Good Luck,
>>> Linda
>>>
>>> From my iPhone somewhere or other...
>>> linda@bozuk.org
>>>
>>> On Oct 19, 2007, at 12:25 PM, HIRO TAK  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thanks for the advice Linda,
>>>>
>>>> But he looks not good.  He was not eating much and now he is as
>>>> white as ghost. He also have tougher time to swim.
>>>> I had been keeping the tank around 80F.  I did crank it up and hope
>>>> it makes difference.  But he does not look good.  And I have no  
>>>> idea
>>>> what cause it.
>>>> I don't think he'll make it either I move it or not.  And doing so
>>>> and I don't want to disturb the female too much either.  I hope he
>>>> left some off springs.  Although he is way too young to die but he
>>>> seems to heading to the water in the sky.
>>>> I just hope some eggs will hatch and he is not dying for vain.
>>>> Although some of the eggs are getting too milky white, I am hoping
>>>> the some of the clearer eggs will develop and hatch.
>>>>
>>>> I think she will be a widow and have to find another husband.
>>>> Sometime I wish the fish can talk and tell me what is wrong with
>>>> them.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks again for the help Linda.
>>>> Linda Knapp
>>> wrote: Is he eating? I like to feed
>>>> well before and after spawning - I use
>>>> frozen blood worms.
>>>> You might increase the temp some also Rams like it warm - 82-84
>>>> even....
>>>> They are annoyingly fragile though.
>>>> Good Luck!
>>>> Linda
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Oct 19, 2007, at 9:12 AM, HIRO TAK wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>
>>>>> I hope someone her could help me out.
>>>>> As you know I have tiny Gold Rams spawned last week.  And once
>>>>> again, they laid  eggs on Wednesday night.  And this time I was
>>>>> there to see part of the ritual.  Anyway, the thing is the Dad  
>>>>> have
>>>>> been pale colored although he did part and go over the eggs.  I am
>>>>> sure he spread/smeared his seeds on the eggs.  But he has not
>>>>> colored up and she is the one fanning and guarding the eggs this
>>>>> time around.  Although whatever the reason, he may not well.  I
>>>>> didn't see the female pick on him or nothing but he is still pale
>>>>> colored and stay at the corner behind the sponge filter.  And they
>>>>> did laid the eggs on the plastic part of top of the sponge filter,
>>>>> by the way.
>>>>>
>>>>> And I am wondering if I should remove the male even it would be
>>>>> tough to do so.  But it probably better to do so before the eggs
>>>>> hatch I imagine.  And they should hatch either tonight or tomorrow
>>>>> morning or so according to the web site.  Or just remove them  
>>>>> alone
>>>>> since she is not picking him.  I did about 1/3 water change
>>>>> yesterday.  Since I thought the water quality maybe the issue.   
>>>>> But
>>>>> he still acting same way.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I hope someone have the advice for me.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>                Hiro
>>>>>
>>>>> P.S.  Unfortunately I think the little fry from the Celestial  
>>>>> Pearl
>>>>> Danio may have been eaten by the parents.  And I think I need to
>>>>> set up the breeding tank instead of hands off survival of fittest
>>>>> set up.
>>>>>
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