Re: [GSAS-Member] Need advice about my Gold Rams

[HIRO TAK <neon98102@yahoo.com>]

  Thanks for the advice Paul,

  And congratulation for the spawn.  

  Now come to think of it, there were few small Corys in the tank when they 
first spawned and I took them out on 2nd day or so.  And 2nd spawn, there were 
no other fish and maybe they didn't had the common enemy and she picked on him. 
 And they may need the dither fish to vent the aggression.  

  And I know the both batch of eggs weren't good.  So I suspect the male wasn't 
matured enough.  Just like most other fish, the female mature earlier.  

  Humm, I guess I have to find the way and place to set another tank.  

Paul Wallace <pwallace@u.washington.edu> wrote: HIRO:

I was lucky enough to have a pair acquired from Linda spawn 2 days ago.  They 
dug a pit in the aqua soil and spawned ~ 40 eggs.  The female is aggressive and 
chases away the rogue male while the male from pair sits on the eggs while the 
female is out.

I think this is important because the trio is in a 55gal tank with lots of room 
and dither fish.  In the past i have kept pairs in 5 and 10 gal tanks but every 
so often one of the pair determines that the other is an enemy and drives them 
off.  In a small take this does not end well.

So I would recommend upgrading to a 20 or 29 (Meridith reports spawns on 
alternating sides with two pairs in her 29 gal) or pulling out on adult right 
after spawning and the second after ~ 2 days of wiggler.

-Paul

On Sun, 21 Oct 2007, HIRO TAK wrote:

>  Thanks for the kind word, Linda.  I appreciate it.  And I will keep trying.  
> And just try not to make same mistakes again.  And hopefully someday I can 
> get some swarm of frys to grow.
>
>                                                                         Hiro
>
>
> Linda Knapp 
 wrote: Sorry to hear he did not make it. But don't beat yourself up too much
> about what you should or should not have done. I think we would all
> go crazy if we did that! It took quite a few pairs before I got some
> rams to breed and I still do not have guaranteed results. They are
> very frustrating.
>
> You'll get there don't worry!
> Linda
>
>
> On Oct 20, 2007, at 9:26 AM, HIRO TAK wrote:
>
>>   Thanks for your help Linda,
>>
>>   Unfortunately he left for bigger water in the sky.  Although I
>> did increase the temperature but I think it was too late for him to
>> recover.  Probably I should have removed him long time ago.  As
>> soon as I notice him being pale.
>>   And I had enough time to think about.  More and more I think
>> about, I think he was picked by the female although I didn't see
>> it.  And I should've separate them sooner.
>>   I think what happened was she was ready to lay eggs but he was
>> not totally ready yet.  Like many of the other fish, the female
>> mature younger than the male.  And just like the first batch, I
>> don't think these eggs are not developing.  Not to mention the time
>> was short between the spawns.
>>   Of course this is merely my guess but I think I maybe right.
>>
>>   For now, I think I'll keep her by herself until she fill up
>> again.  Also add more plants and decoration to the tank although I
>> thought I have enough but it probably better to have more hiding/
>> escape  spots if and when the one abuse the other.  And if she
>> does, I probably introduce the biggest most colorful male from the
>> other tank.  And keep the close eyes on them.  Well I only have
>> choice between the 2 but they have been coloring up more lately.
>> Maybe because there are 2 males or maybe they get more food than
>> used to be.  Since they are in the tank with the Albino Angels who
>> know how to beg food from me all the time.  But whatever the case,
>> they seem look bigger and more colorful than the male I just lost.
>>   I guess the Rams are more feisty than I imagined.  I hope I can
>> get the 2nd generation before I lose anymore.  I will definitely
>> keep even closer eyes on them.  If a put the pair in the tank again.
>>
>> Linda Knapp
> wrote: Yes it does sound grim.
>> Normally I would add some salt and increase
>> the temp and leave him in the same tank. I think I would still
>> recommend increasing the temp a couple degrees. Not sure about salt
>> but I bet it would be ok for the eggs as well as papa.
>> Good Luck,
>> Linda
>>
>>  From my iPhone somewhere or other...
>> linda@bozuk.org
>>
>> On Oct 19, 2007, at 12:25 PM, HIRO TAK  wrote:
>>
>>>  Thanks for the advice Linda,
>>>
>>>  But he looks not good.  He was not eating much and now he is as
>>> white as ghost. He also have tougher time to swim.
>>>  I had been keeping the tank around 80F.  I did crank it up and hope
>>> it makes difference.  But he does not look good.  And I have no idea
>>> what cause it.
>>>  I don't think he'll make it either I move it or not.  And doing so
>>> and I don't want to disturb the female too much either.  I hope he
>>> left some off springs.  Although he is way too young to die but he
>>> seems to heading to the water in the sky.
>>>  I just hope some eggs will hatch and he is not dying for vain.
>>>  Although some of the eggs are getting too milky white, I am hoping
>>> the some of the clearer eggs will develop and hatch.
>>>
>>>  I think she will be a widow and have to find another husband.
>>> Sometime I wish the fish can talk and tell me what is wrong with
>>> them.
>>>
>>>  Thanks again for the help Linda.
>>> Linda Knapp
>>  wrote: Is he eating? I like to feed
>>> well before and after spawning - I use
>>> frozen blood worms.
>>> You might increase the temp some also Rams like it warm - 82-84
>>> even....
>>> They are annoyingly fragile though.
>>> Good Luck!
>>> Linda
>>>
>>>
>>> On Oct 19, 2007, at 9:12 AM, HIRO TAK wrote:
>>>
>>>>  Hi all,
>>>>
>>>>  I hope someone her could help me out.
>>>>  As you know I have tiny Gold Rams spawned last week.  And once
>>>> again, they laid  eggs on Wednesday night.  And this time I was
>>>> there to see part of the ritual.  Anyway, the thing is the Dad have
>>>> been pale colored although he did part and go over the eggs.  I am
>>>> sure he spread/smeared his seeds on the eggs.  But he has not
>>>> colored up and she is the one fanning and guarding the eggs this
>>>> time around.  Although whatever the reason, he may not well.  I
>>>> didn't see the female pick on him or nothing but he is still pale
>>>> colored and stay at the corner behind the sponge filter.  And they
>>>> did laid the eggs on the plastic part of top of the sponge filter,
>>>> by the way.
>>>>
>>>>  And I am wondering if I should remove the male even it would be
>>>> tough to do so.  But it probably better to do so before the eggs
>>>> hatch I imagine.  And they should hatch either tonight or tomorrow
>>>> morning or so according to the web site.  Or just remove them alone
>>>> since she is not picking him.  I did about 1/3 water change
>>>> yesterday.  Since I thought the water quality maybe the issue.  But
>>>> he still acting same way.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  I hope someone have the advice for me.
>>>>
>>>>  Thanks.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>                 Hiro
>>>>
>>>> P.S.  Unfortunately I think the little fry from the Celestial Pearl
>>>> Danio may have been eaten by the parents.  And I think I need to
>>>> set up the breeding tank instead of hands off survival of fittest
>>>> set up.
>>>>
>>>>
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