Wow... this is great... we are moving on! Judging: This will need a lot of thought and orgainization. I do believe it not *impossible* to have the judges enter. I recently attended a killifish meeting and they hold shows and judge fish. The judges enter their own fish but their vote is excluded when it comes to their fish. If we have several judges and they are not all "friends" then I think that could work and that way some good aquascapers would not be excluded. Judging will probably have to work like figure skating with several judges voting 1-10 on tanks and the winning tank being the one with the highest score when its numbers are added up. Otherwise how can one judge an Amano type scene against a Boothian scene? If a judge likes one type better than another he/she is bound to vote for that one. Everyone get what I mean? Celebrities?? I think not. Sounds like something getting out of hand to me. Several countries represented would be nice. Let's hope we can swing that. Categories: I agree that sizes would be good but perhaps shape could get in there... cube, cylinder, tall, shallow are possiblilties. Comparing a tall cube to a long tank is quite different and if a tall cube is only 24" should it be able to compete with a regular 20 gallon?? If we had a category for tall, for example, and we only got 4 entries for tall we could discontinue that category, inform the contestant and tell them they would be added to the "size" category or they could withdraw if they'd rather. Of course, on the entry form we should probably say that categories depend on sufficient entries and pick a minimum number. I would be willing to have a category for "whimsical" or "novelty" which would be planted tanks with pink gravel, sunken ships, divers, bubbling clams, green skulls etc. Some of those can be quite fantastic and actually deserve a category by themselves... as long as they are "real" planted tanks. If they are entered with the more "serious" tanks they probably wouldn't stand much of a chance. Ideas for categories: [size in inches/cm to be determined] 1.small 2.medium 3.large 4.cube 5.cylinder 6.tall 7.long [long implying shorter than regular tank sizes]. 8.novelty? Perhaps cube, cylinder and tall could all go under "tall" as they tend to be taller than usual. That would cut it down to 6 categories or even 5 if "short" is not a likely entry for a planted tank. Uh oh... I just thought of the fact that my tank is 48" long but being only 12" wide is at a real disadvantage being judged against a same length tank that is 18" wide. Maybe a 48" x 18" would have to go in "large" while a 48"x12" would be medium? Perhaps this needs more thought... or maybe simple is best this time around and the next contest could be more involved [when we have more practice]. <g> Contestants: I agree no ages or professions come into it. We could have in the rules that the contestants are required to be entering tanks they have personally aquascaped. That means that some office manager who hires a company to maintain a wonderful tank in his reception area can not legitimately enter that tank... but the aquascaping company can. Now, of course, he could, and we wouldn't know but we'll have to assume most folks wouldn't do that... besides, unless that person is very interested in the subject he would be unlikely to know about the contest whereas the aquascaping company would be more likely to know about it. Nuff for now, Olga in Vancouver ------------------ To unsubscribe from this list, e-mail majordomo@aquatic-gardeners.org with "unsubscribe aga-contest" in the body of the message. To subscribe to the digest version, add "subscribe aga-contest-digest" in the same message. Old messages are available at http://lists.thekrib.com/aga-contest