Olga, I sympathathize with your comments concerning the bulk of messages generated by this discussion and about having other things in your life to do. We _all_ have the same concerns. I also agree that this would be much simpler if we were all sitiing around the same table... But we're not, and I think that you realize _why_ I write such long and detailed messages. I am trying to make very clear the many possibilities and choices we have before us. But it seems that everyone, you included, came here with your _own_ preconceptions, and when other suggestions don't match yours, there doesn't seem much fruitful or productive discussion. We have already seen two potentially very valuable people (Dave Gomberg and Roger Miller) leave the discussion because they couldn't have things _their_ way. This was _my_ idea, but I have always been willing to adjust and modify it based upon the input I receive from the members of the group. But doing so is very difficult when people place themselves in different camps and refuse to consider alternatives. The issue before the group right now, and I am personally putting it to you as I greatly value both your presence here and your input, is as outlined in my first message of this morning. Please take the time to read the message, think about what is says, and give the group your input on _that_ subject. And B.T.W., Karen's current absence makes absolutely _no_ difference. Karen is not prepared, nor do I want her to, wade into this and tell us _how_ this is going to be done. This is _our_ discussion and decision. Karen is not our "Mother". Once we find some common ground and prepare a proposal (I might add IF at this point in time), we submit it to the AGA MC. That is where Karen gets her say. Not here. She is here to lend support and provide guidance, not issue orders. James Purchase Toronto ------------------ To unsubscribe from this list, e-mail majordomo@aquatic-gardeners.org with "unsubscribe aga-contest" in the body of the message. To subscribe to the digest version, add "subscribe aga-contest-digest" in the same message. Old messages are available at http://lists.thekrib.com/aga-contest