1. I like the idea recently proposed that we make this both a competition and a showcase via a little box you can check to keep your tank out of the contest. Those that want to compete, can. Those that don't will still have a place to display their tanks. 2. I think that it is important we be inclusive, to a point. I think that we should allow any freshwater tank, but inform all entrants that primary focus of this event is aquatic gardening/aquascaping, and let them make the decision from there. I want to see beginners encouraged to participate, and see this as giving them a chance to improve their skills as aquarists. I want little Jimmy to be able to have his tank up there along with Karen's or James' or Olga's, despite the fact that he has a few plastic plants. I do, however, want him to understand up front that he will get a low "plant health" score, and have an opportunity, by comparing his tank with others, to better understand the potential a freshwater aquascape has. Today's beginners are the next generation (no matter what their age) of George Booths and Steve Pushaks. Furthermore, should we assume that just because an aquascape has plastic rocks or plants in it we have nothing to learn from it? My vision of this contest/showcase is severalfold. 1. I would like aquarists to have a chance to become better educated in the possibilities surrounding aquascaping and equipment management through a showcase of tanks from around the world. 2. I would like aquarists to be able to have their tanks judged by an independent third party, with an emphasis on education and fun rather than all-out competition. 3. I would like us, the aquarists, to have a chance to promote what we think is a wonderful hobby and an excellent method to better understand the world we live in. 4. I would like us, the planted tank aquarists, to become more cohesive as a community through the creation and execution of a common goal. Unfortunately, I see things as moving in the opposite direction at the moment, and this makes me sad. I want this to be a fun experience for both participant and planner. I am committed to making that happen. To James: Thank you for spending the time and emotional energy to do this. While I haven't always agreed with what you have to say (it would be a boring world if everyone agreed), your dedication and commitment is commendable. Justin Collins, who apologizes for the long post and hopes he managed to keep it on topic. ------------------ To unsubscribe from this list, e-mail majordomo@aquatic-gardeners.org with "unsubscribe aga-contest" in the body of the message. To subscribe to the digest version, add "subscribe aga-contest-digest" in the same message. Old messages are available at http://lists.thekrib.com/aga-contest