Good Morning, After a good night's sleep, I am not as angry as I was when I entered my last posting, but I remain frustrated. There is no point in our discussing _anything_ else until we can agree on a number of points. To help everyone focus on what those are, I submit the following to you for your consideration and comment: 1. While the word I initially used on the APD to describe what we are here for was "contest", what I really had in mind, and what I sense a lot of you favoured, was more of a "showcase" of the "state of aquascaping as it exists today in various parts of the world". Now, this concept is large enough to encompass aspects of both "showcase" AND "contest", but the prime purpose of the event is the "showcase". Am I wrong in thinking this? Yes or no? If no, what _alternative_ vision do _you_ have to offer / put forward for the group's consideration? 2. Inclusion is a word you have read quite often in my posts here. Karen stressed the point that we _must_ include those members of the AGA who are not Internet capable in this event. A lot of discussion has occured over whether or not our use of the term "aquascape" is limited to "our" definition, as "aquatic gardeners", of that word, or is this event to be open to "other" definitions/visions as well. Keeping in mind the focus of the AGA, but attempting to balance that against the reality of both the English language and the practice of most aquarium hobbyists, I suggested that perhaps we attempt to "include" everyone in this event. This would mean, when carried to its logical conclusion (logical in my mind anyway) that this event be open to "aquascapes" of all kinds. We could limit (or not, depending upon both the group's common feeling and the AGA's ability/willingness to accespt other points of view) the participation of those aquascapes which were _not_ aquatic gardens with living plants (I heartily agree with GB's feelings toward the word "aquatic") to the "showcase" only and not allow them to be submitted to the "contest" and thus any possibility that the AGA's prize winning aquacape could be a creation full of plastic plants. What is the common concencus here on HOW we define the term "aquascape"? Do we accept the "Webster's" or "Oxford English Dictionary" version of the term, or does our "inclusion" policy have its limits? Are we ONLY open to underwater gardens full of living plants? Depending upon HOW we perceive these two BASIC issues, we should be able to formulate the rest of this process. However, as I said last night, after more than 10 days of discussion, there is still a lot of divergent points of view on both. Suggesting that I alone make the decision is abrogation of the expectations I have for your presence here and the basic purpose for my having invited you here in the first place. Your opinions/thoughts/ideas DO matter to me, otherwise I wouldn't have asked in the first place. PLEASE help in deciding these two issues. I don't wish to hear snide remarks or off topic points being discussed right now. I am taking this effort very seriously and want this to be a success. James Purchase Toronto ------------------ To unsubscribe from this list, e-mail majordomo@aquatic-gardeners.org with "unsubscribe aga-contest" in the body of the message. To subscribe to the digest version, add "subscribe aga-contest-digest" in the same message. Old messages are available at http://lists.thekrib.com/aga-contest