I'm not sure I like an entire category for color (or colour <g>), unless it means something like "vibrance" (or would that be "hue saturation" <g>). In other words, I don't really think that one entry should get more points for using red versus the entry that uses only green plants (or no plants, let's not forget that). What about someone who uses red gravel? What about the color of the backdrop? This will probably all be covered in the Composition-Content-Concept-Impression category. The reason I'm leaning towards the "Zen" judging, or whatever you want to call it, is for the same reasons James is mentioning above -- these guidelines need to be inclusive of all entries, not just tailored to a planted tank. The tank should look nice no matter what materials are included and should really WOW the viewer. I think what James might be talking about when comparing the judging to a turnip contest is that we don't really have any hard and fast "rules" here. (Like you will be disqualified if your tank contains this plant or that plant or a combination, or your fish must be at least this size or no bigger than such-and-such, etc.) All I'm hearing so far is that it cannot be a marine tank, and I think that's fine. On the other hand, Olga and Karen, you are correct that most of the categories that you have thrown up are _very_ similar to what Justin posted originally. Just a few differences we need to work out and some similarities we need to solidify. Karen, interesting suggestion about having a trial run. I like it. I also have another, unrelated, question for you, Karen (just looking back at some older stuff). Maybe I missed it, but what is a "publication quality" photo? Does it have certain technical specs? (Shot on certain film, a certain size, etc.?) Thanks, Dave VanderWall non-AGA Minneapolis figuring out how to read the archives! ------------------ To unsubscribe from this list, e-mail majordomo@aquatic-gardeners.org with "unsubscribe aga-contest" in the body of the message. To subscribe to the digest version, add "subscribe aga-contest-digest" in the same message. Old messages are available at http://lists.thekrib.com/aga-contest