Olga wrote: "I suggest: First I think that Overall Impression is better than "Wow" factor and "Distinction" because that is exactly what is being judged.. an overall impression. My thoughts are let's call a "spade" a "spade" and have criteria that *everyone* can understand at a glance." James responds: Cool - I'm NOT trying to be difficult here Olga, I'm attempting to reach a consensus within the parameters of what I wrote earlier - state something in general terms and THEN move to the specifics. Let's leave "spades" out of this discussion, the word has other connotations which I'm sure you didn't intend and *I* find uncomfortable. If *you* can understand the word "Impression" better, then by all means, let's use it. It is a good word and it conveys the same concept that I and several other contributors to this effort think we should use. Olga wrote: "Criteria #1. Theme / Concept This is fine... except what about all those folks who don't strive for any particular "theme/concept"... like me and everyone in my aquatic plant club [all possible contestants]. I don't think a single one of us tries for a "theme" or "concept". Are we supposed to make one up?? Is giving it a title the same thing... "aquascape with twisted branch"??" James responds: See George Booth's earlier comments about "plants underwater". This is an AQUASCAPING show for heaven's sake. I'm sorry that you are unaware of consciously doing something in a particular way because it has become second nature to you, but you ARE doing it none the less. I'm NOT suggesting that aquascapes be given "titles" like some folks name their photographic images (I find it kind of pretentious) but in MOST good aquascapes, like in MOST good landscape gardens, there WAS conscious thought put into the arrangement of the basic elements used. For example, say you have a 6' long tank and you wanted to give the impression of a section of a tropical stream. You might choose to place several pieces of driftwood in such a manner that they appear as they would after being affected by the current of the water. You could also place rocks and selected plants as they might exist and grow under the influence of such a current. The background could be covered in a way to give the impression of the stream bed coming up to meet the shoreline. Powerheads or the filter outflow could be placed at one end of the tank, producing such a current, with the water being drawn into the filter from the opposite end of the tank. THIS would be a consciously themed aquascape, the success of which is largely dependant upon the choices made by the aquascaper. Merely placing a bunch of hygro here or there, and a few Crypts willy nilly is sure to produce less of an "aquascape" and more of a "bouquet of flowers, underwater". If that's what everyone in Vancouver is doing, I'm sorry, I guess they might not win the Contest, but they can still display their efforts in the Showcase. Having seen photographs of your aquascaping efforts, I don't think that is the case. You might not be consciously thinking about what you are doing, but you are obviously doing something right. Olga wrote: "Criteria #2. Selection / Use of Materials Okay... sounds good." James responds: Thank heaven's we can agree on something! Olga wrote: "Criteria #3. Composition / Balance / Use of Space" <snip> "What on earth is "visual tension"? None of my elements have ever bared their teeth. <g> I've never planted a plant in my life, in or out of water, considering "visual tension". I wouldn't have the foggiest notion how to judge this. I don't think one in ten people entering the contest would know what you were talking about. Explain "visual tension" to me in a simple sentence." I could quite accurately describe "visual tension" as the feeling I got when I first read that initial sentence! I seem to be getting the impression that you feel these Judging Guidelines should be written for Homer Simpson. I'm not taking a slam at you Olga, because everyone's background and experiences are different and equally worthy of respect, but you obviously have never studied art or esthetics even casually, and you seem to think that those of us who HAVE are trying to pull the wool over your eyes, or confuse you. While the Guidelines will be made public and available to all entrants, we have to describe some *possibly* unfamiliar concepts. Not *everyone* is going to understand. The "suggested" questions which I listed under each of the Criteria in my earlier post, were merely that - "suggestions". If *you* can't understand them, may I suggest that some others *might*. And if you want a concise definition of "visual tension" may I suggest that you read "Visual Concepts for Photographers" by Leslie Strebel, Hollis Todd and Richard Zakia, published by Focal Press in 1980 (ISBN 0 240 51025 9). Alternatively, you could visit the Vancouver Art Gallery and spend an afternoon contemplating the paintings. You will see plenty of "visual tension" there. You can think of "visual tension" as a dynamic balance within the scene, be it a painting, drawing, or an aquascape. Are all of the elements working together to make the whole seem "dynamic" and "alive" or is it just sitting there looking like a plant in a pot in a container of water? If it seems that I am getting a bit testy here, it is because whenever the subject of *art* or *craft* comes up you seem to get *very* defensive. Nobody is out to get you, but please stop slamming something you know very little about, and which could be very important in elevating this event above the level of a jam making contest at a county fair.. Olga wrote: "- d. Do the various materials/decorations/plants provide pleasing visual stimulation to the viewer? (editorial comment - color use would fall under this.) This seems to me to be covered several times over by other things. I think "Use of colour" is straightforward, easy to understand and better and that colour should be separate from the other things." James responds - You are DETERMINED to get color listed aren't you? Why don't YOU explain "use of color" to the group? Olga wrote: These three are fine and would be good under "Use of Space". [What happened to E?] James responds - "E" fell under the chair, and I forgot to pick it back up and post it in with the others. Its all dusty now, so we can forget about it. Olga wrote: "Criteria #5. "WOW" Factor This is fine except should be "Overall Impression" which is just what it is. Internationally "Wow" may not mean too much." James responds - As I said, if this wording works for *you* and is acceptable to the rest of the group, I can go along with it. James Purchase Toronto ------------------ To unsubscribe from this list, e-mail majordomo@aquatic-gardeners.org with "unsubscribe aga-contest" in the body of the message. To subscribe to the digest version, add "subscribe aga-contest-digest" in the same message. Old messages are available at http://lists.thekrib.com/aga-contest