Ken wrote: <<<1. Use of Materials (innovativeness, appropriateness, etc.) 20% 2. Overall Composition (balance, use of space, use of color, etc.) 30% 3. Viability 20% (I sort of wonder if someone would actually submit an entry with a dying sword plant) 4. Overall Impression 30% (If I had to change something on this list, I would give this 40% and Viability 10% weights)>>> Sounds good to me, although I would like to see criteria for "theme", even if it's only like 5% of the score. I think that people that aquascape around a theme should be rewarded for it, it's harder. I also disagree with James' idea of not discussing the weight of various criteria. I think that may have something to do with some of the disagreements. I wouldn't mind having color as it's own criteria, as long as it's only like 5%. I think that the impression given when we discuss criteria without assigning values, is that the criteria are each equally weighted, when in fact James doesn't want theme to be 50% of the judging, nor does Olga want color to be 50% of the judging. We *can* fine tune the point values later, but it helps to include them now so that people get an idea of how important you feel each criteria is. What we should have done is: brainstorm for possible criteria, not throw anything out, and once we have a huge list of potential criteria, we choose which ones we want to use, and what their point values will be. This would concentrate the bickering (debate, if you want to be PC) into just a few posts instead of stretching out these debates and hearing the same thing over and over. Dave Engle Escondido (San Diego) California (Jacksonville, N. Carolina in a coupla months....) Non AGA Member Just a couple of pennies that I had in my pocket.... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------ To unsubscribe from this list, e-mail majordomo@aquatic-gardeners.org with "unsubscribe aga-contest" in the body of the message. To subscribe to the digest version, add "subscribe aga-contest-digest" in the same message. Old messages are available at http://lists.thekrib.com/aga-contest