At 04:12 AM 7/27/99 -0700, Olga wrote: >Olga replies: >My attitude is that we don't have to use "unfamiliar concepts". They all >translate into ordinary everyday phases that all the "Homers" can >understand. Using terms like "visual tension" makes those who were brought >up with comic books for literature and cartoons for Art think that they are >stupid and cannot understand "Art". It's those kind of phrases that scare >many ordinary folks away from Art and enjoying it. I have quoted only a small (but I think salient) portion of the east/west head butting contest. But I'm siding with Olga on this one, even if I _am_ about as far east as I can go without falling into the ocean. Karen ------------------------------ >Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 23:46:26 -0400 >From: "Ken Guin" <kenguin@homemail.com> >Subject: Judging Criteria > >Hmmm, beer gooood. Tension bad. > > -- Homer Simpson (urging serenity) There are those who could (and do) wax poetic on the "art" of producing good beer. ;-) Karen ------------------------------ >James replies: >I don't expect that anything Neil may have written in his article quoted >above might change your mind.... but its worth a try. > >You want a "country fair" - some of us want an International Aquascaping >Showcase & Contest, with participation from all over the world. I don't want >to look at "plants underwater", I want to see examples of beautifully >aquascaped aquariums. > >There is more to the world than North America. James, I know Neil well, and respect him greatly. BUT I have had contact with a number of INTERNATIONAL experts on aquarium plants who don't totally agree with Neil's view on this issue. Claus Christensen, who has seen more tanks in more countries than anyone I can think of, has told me personally that the best in the US compare favorably with the best in the world. He says that we have a very skewed view of the level of planted aquariums kept in other countries. There are very good ones, but they are the elite, even in their own countries. The _average_ aquarist in Germany is no better a keeping planted tanks than the average aquarist here. Using plain and simple language will not keep the best from competing. Using pretentious sounding language _will_ scare off the potential "Grandma Moses'" (like Olga ;-) that just might like to participate "for the fun of it" and teach us all a thing or two. Except for Amano and a few Dutch competitors, there really aren't that many people who are producing planted tanks specifically as an "art form", any more than MOST gardeners toil in their gardens just to impress garden club judges. They do it to please themselves when the look out over their dew covered garden with that first cup of coffee in the morning, and they do it because the love the feel of the soil between their fingers. If some judge gives them an award for their efforts, it is simply frosting on the cake. James, I mentioned this to you before in a different context, and I'll say it again. I find it quite interesting that I have YET to hear anyone tell us that, yes, they ARE an aquascaping artist, or even can NAME an aquascaping artist with the exception of Amano. We simply don't think of ourselves that way. Let's do our best to encourage participation without pretense at this point. If we have enough participation, we will start to SEE who the artists are, whether they recognize themselves as such or not. Then we can begin to learn from them. Karen ------------------ To unsubscribe from this list, e-mail majordomo@aquatic-gardeners.org with "unsubscribe aga-contest" in the body of the message. To subscribe to the digest version, add "subscribe aga-contest-digest" in the same message. Old messages are available at http://lists.thekrib.com/aga-contest