Jim Capelle wrote: "The Founding Fathers and Mothers should tell the future judges what they were thinking of when they set up "Criteria" and any other Gray terms that will be left up to the judges of future days, who may have to get some wording clarify later." James writes: I agree 100%. Do you have any suggestions of simply worded, easily understood sentences which could accompany the basic Criteria points? That's what I'm looking for - input. A lot of the Judging will be subjective, but the situation you describe in your post could be easily avoided IF we make it clear to the Judges what we expect of them. But, as I said in my earlier posts..... I've already tried and was unsuccesseful. If others feel that this is necessary, don't just agree with me, give me the words to accompany the Cirtieria. On THIS point, I am leaving it up to the rest of you. If anyone expects me to finally cave in and write them myself......... it 'ain't gonna happen. <g> James Purchase Toronto ------------------ To unsubscribe from this list, e-mail majordomo@aquatic-gardeners.org with "unsubscribe aga-contest" in the body of the message. To subscribe to the digest version, add "subscribe aga-contest-digest" in the same message. Old messages are available at http://lists.thekrib.com/aga-contest