Dave was worried last night about entrance fees. I've pointed out that should a fee actually be levied, it would pose no real problem for international entrants to obtain some way to get the money to the AGA in the proper currency (AGA also can accept VISA I believe). However, as I've pointed out - the main "cost" for this event, as far as I can see, is going to be postage and printing costs. COSTS: 1. CD-ROM's for the Judges. Erik had mentioned that the cost of CD-ROM's to the contest is going to be minimal ($1.20 per disk + mailing cost). 2. A nice three fold brochure to send out to interested parties would be really nice but could be moderately expensive to produce - especially if we do it in color. I've suggested that perhaps the AGA DTP specialist be consulted on this, as he might be able to offer suggestions. I have done such things, but only produced a "master" which was then photocopied. Larger runs would be cheaper actually being printed but I have no idea of exactly how much (espeically as Canadian pricing and American pricing can differ a lot). I also don't know how many we might need. 3. Entrance Forms and supporting materials for non-Internet hobbyists. We are going to HAVE to have a way to send out little "kits" to people who do not have Internet access (this would be required by the AGA). These kits would consist of an Entrance Form, a copy of the entrance guidelines, judging guidelines, etc. These things could be photocopied on demand, and shouldn't be much of a burden. Mailing them out would cost more. 4. Hosting fees - Erik has said that the AGA already pays for web hosting and it won't cost them any more for this event. 5. Contacting potential prize donors - say, thrity or forty letters - mailing costs alone (I can't imaging requiring the contest to pay me for my ink and paper for forty letters. 6. Certificates/Ribbons - Again, I'm at a loss here. I have done Award Certificates for organizations in the past - I've used a DTP program and printed out the individual Certificates using a high quality color Inkjet printer and the best quality coated paper I could obtain (about $30.00/500 sheets). A set of new ink cartridges costs between $75.00 - $120.00 Cdn., depending upon the printer you are using. Late model inkjet printers can produce some amazing results and the Certificates look good. For one group I had the Certificates laminated onto plaques at a cost of $20.00Cdn each and they looked terrific (also waterproof, so someone could hang it close to their tank without worry.) They even came back from the laminator in boxes suitable for mailing! Again, mailing costs would be incurred. I don't have any idea how much "satin ribbons" cost - but if we are going to hand them out, they are going to be nice ones. 7. Mailing of prizes. This could be expensive - but I don't envision loads of prizes and as I've mentioned, for really large items, it should be possible for the donor company to ship directly. 8. Mailing of prize winners list out to all entrants - this would be nice, but I don't know if it is necessary. It would also be time consuming if there were hundreds of non-internet capable entries received. We could avoid this by just publishing the list in TAG. (and informing everyone how to obtain a copy). INCOME: 1. CD-ROM sales - Again, I have no idea how many of these will be sold. But any income would go directly to the AGA and would off-set their outlay. What do people think would be a reasonable amount to charge for these? --------- As this is the first time around for this - any figure I could give for "total cost" would only be a guess. I know that the AGA is probably going to want a concrete figure but I'm at a loss until we have been thru this once. I think that surely it should cost under $1,000.00 - and that would cover EVERYTHING. Given the exposure that the AGA will get out of this, and the increased interest in planted tanks which we hope to generate, I have a definate preference to suggest to the AGA MC that they agree to eat the costs entirely and that we not be required to charge any entrance fee. If an entrance fee IS required by the MC, it would only be applicable to non-AGA members and would be a deterrant to entrants (and I don't think it should be more that $5.00US per entry). Thoughts??? James Purchase Toronto ------------------ To unsubscribe from this list, e-mail majordomo@aquatic-gardeners.org with "unsubscribe aga-contest" in the body of the message. To subscribe to the digest version, add "subscribe aga-contest-digest" in the same message. Old messages are available at http://lists.thekrib.com/aga-contest