Quite some time ago, Erik suggested that we draw up a list of "first principles" which would help keep us focused and on track. I have spent quite a bit of time lately going over those "first prinicples" and the earliest discussions concerning this project. I have to admit, that we are straying off track and unless we veer back, we run the risk of getting nothing done. As originally envisioned, this was an Internet-Only event. Once we explored the AGA sponsorship idea it had to be broadened to allow for and include those AGA members who do not have Internet access. Contacting the membership of the AGA who are not Internet accessible would cost nothing as a notice in TAG would suffice. The idea of broadening our focus to include people who are NOT members of the AGA runs into trouble when you consider that there are a lot of aquarists who are not Internet aware or capable. Contacting THESE people is where (it seems to me) complications come in and costs escalate. Contacting a few magazines via their e-mail addresses, does not add to either costs or complications and should suffice to get in touch with those who do not have Internet access. The issue of "fairness" doesn't really enter into this suggestion (i.e. I don't feel that we are being "unfair" to the non-internet, non-aga, general public. If they read the major hobbyist magazines and/or belong to a club or group which has a "reachable" web presence, then they should know about this.) But it should certainly cut down on any angst among ourselves over how to spread our already thin resources. Note that I am NOT suggesting that this means limiting the event to the AGA membership. I am suggesting that we return our focus to the Internet, where it began. We can still make use of "contact lists" of clubs and companies, but these will be for e-mail contact informing people of the contest, not as a mailing list to send out information via snail mail. I suggest that we return to the initial idea - scrapping any ideas about sending out posters or letters - in short, if we can't contact them by e-mail, we forget about them, at least for this initial year. If we are going to have to limit the number of entries to a reasonable limit that both Erik and the judges are going to be able to handle I think that this is not too much of a hardship or hinderance. We can still have a package of material available on the web-site which either clubs or individuals can print out and distribute but this distribution would be at their cost, not the contest's cost. If we have an upper limit on entries, it might be wise to not allow more than three aquascapes from any one individual and forego any "price cuts" on the entry fee, given the upper limit imposed on total entries. We want as many different individuals as possible to enter, not necessarily a large number of multiple entries from a smaller number of aquarists. If we can limit the costs enough without hurting our core values, we might just end up with no entry fees required. However, if there _were_ no entrance fees, then it would probably make sense to limit entries to one per person. In the "core values" listed on the web-site and in the early discussions we had, a lot of emphasis was placed on this being "user friendly" and non-competative. We could probably acomplish our goal in this as well as cut costs by scrapping any notion of "real" prizes as well as ribbons. "Certificates" printed via a Color Inkjet printer on high quality paper should suffice and, if sent out in small mailing tubes, would be an economical and to me at least a reasonable alternative. If we _really_ wanted to we could still consider a "prize" for "Best of Show", but that's an "iffy". The cost for this would be reduced to the price of a fresh set of ink cartridges, a few packages of the high quality paper required to produce top quality results, the mailing tubes and the postage. No more worrying over wrinkled ribbons or prizes damaged in the mail. They _should_ be suitable for framing, but the cost and bother of framing would be left up to the winner. Make sense? James Purchase Toronto ------------------ To unsubscribe from this list, e-mail majordomo@aquatic-gardeners.org with "unsubscribe aga-contest" in the body of the message. To subscribe to the digest version, add "subscribe aga-contest-digest" in the same message. Old messages are available at http://lists.thekrib.com/aga-contest