I looked at the URL for the ribbons - I didn't really know that they could look that nice (I don't go to many horse shows). It would appear that it would be possible to have the graphic that the AGA has on it's material placed onto the ribbons for very little extra - that would be a nice touch. Dave worked out some costs - I notice that mailing tubes are mentioned - you are suggesting that individual ribbons be placed into mailing tubes I assume? That would keep them from getting "folded, spindled or mutilated" in the mail system. That sounds sensible to me. If the ribbons are a "go", I think that "certificates" can be put to rest (i.e. forgotten). I also assume that ribbons would be given to "Best of Show" (one or more???) and "People's Choice" (again, would there be only ONE of these, or would we allow for "People's Choice" in each Category???) Now, on "prizes" other than ribbons for 1st, 2nd and 3rd place in each Category - what are people's thoughts - one for "Best of Show", naturally, but should we try for one for each 1st place winner in each Category as well? I don't want this to get too out of line here - are we thinking of asking for ONE prize or SIXTEEN prizes? (again - I'm not thinking of anything other than a ribbon for "People's Choice"). I think that the shipping cost estimate given in the earlier post is woefully inadequate - safe shipping of merchandise will require LARGE boxes with LOTS of cushioning/packaging material. I just received ONE sixteen ounce bottle of a supplement from one of the major manufacturers (I'm a beta tester for their new products). It was shipped in a box that had at least 6 inches of styrofoam peanuts around all sides - the box was BIG, and cost them a LOT to send (they shipped it UPS, Special Delivery). As for letters to the companies - I can WRITE the letter, but I'm not the best person to handle storing/sending out prizes as I am in Canada (we've been over this before - someone came forward and volunteered their garage). When I do write the letters - do you think that I should be specifically requesting that they consider giving us "gift certificates" or "vouchers" which we can give to the winners and that the companies ship the items directly to the winners after the vouchers are returned to the company by the winners????? (For example - I'd hate to see an Eheim filter be subjected to shipping stress more than ONCE, if at all possible.) But I say once more - no companies are to be contacted UNTIL AFTER we get AGA approval for this. We cannot go to anybody claiming that we are soliciting for the AGA until we get the organization's approval - end of story. Erik (or someone) said that it is not necessary to announce prizes up front - I need more convincing on this - please elaborate on your thoughts. As for placing a "time limit" on when entries can be suggested - please keep in mind that there is a 4 month delay between when a magazine gets a letter advising them of the event and asking for editorial support (like a mention in their "events" listing) and when that hits the streets. Our online push for entries can be going on during this four month period, but it is going to take a while to ge the web-site together and the prizes collected. Nothing is going to be "pre-announced" until everything is in place - I want this to look professional, not slap happy. James Purchase Toronto ------------------ To unsubscribe from this list, e-mail majordomo@aquatic-gardeners.org with "unsubscribe aga-contest" in the body of the message. To subscribe to the digest version, add "subscribe aga-contest-digest" in the same message. Old messages are available at http://lists.thekrib.com/aga-contest