Karen wrote: "What about asking someone from that plant group in is it Singapore? Or what about the folks at Oriental Aquarium in Singapore? I've had some contact with one person there who is working on the newest edition of their catalog." I've been receiving the Plantnutx list for quite some time, and to put it as nicely as possible, let's not go there.... Don't get me wrong, there are some talented aquascapers there as I've checked out URL's that some of them occassionally post to show off their tanks, but they seem, for the most part, to be a group more impressed with technology than with decoration. In the year that I've been subscribed to the list, I can't remember a single thread on aquascaping. I posted the announcement of the event to the Plantnutx list on the 17th of last month (the day it was "official"). Not a single nibble or comment on the list. Now, our first official entrant is from Singapore I believe, so he probably read the notice. But they do seem to be a relatively shy group. I like Oriental's catalogue and refer to it often (I usually carry both Tropica's and Oriental's catalogues with me when I make the rounds of aquarium shops here, to help with plant ID's - store staff can usually get the genus right but rarely label the species correctly). "I agree that Wayne is a great guy. I don't know how much if any experience he's had judging (or even evaluating) aquascapes. Do you Erik? I do know that Lee served as Home Show judge for Boston A.S. for over 10 years running. (and has done less long-term stints for other clubs) He has had a LOT of experience evaluating tanks of all all types, from plant tanks, to Rift Lake tanks to reef tanks, to "plastic horror shows".<g>" In suggesting that we step outside of the "plant people" group which is basically all that ended up on our list of potential judges, I didn't (and don't) mean to upset the applecart. But we should keep in mind that we might very well see a few "plastic horrors" entered and it might be nice to have a judge who can handle them gently. As well, as a "plant person", my opinion of someone's stature within the organized hobby is directly related to the quality and volume of the material that they have published which deals with what I'm interested in most (plants). I know from my visits to aquarium shops over the years that Cichlids, especially Africans, are MUCH more popular than plants are, in the overall hobby (here in Toronto, at any rate). When I kept African Cichlids, I still tried to aquascape my tanks as nicely as possible, relying more on rocks than on plants. Karen, both you and Erik are more involved with the "other world" of the organized hobby than I am and are probably better judges of who might be suitable as judges. Just so long as EVERY judge we select is made aware that this is an aquascaping event and not a fish show or a photo contest (and can understand the distinction). Someone like either Wayne Leibel or Lee Finley still registers with me as being a "known quantity" due to the excellent material that they have both written over the years. I would be happy with either one. I just don't want people to level any accusations at us for slanting the judging towards plants and ignoring other part of the aquascaping universe. I leave it to you and Erik to decide if you'd care to invite either of these gentlemen to join the judging panel. If you think that either one could offer a unique perspective which would benefit the event, I will be happy. James Purchase Toronto ------------------ To unsubscribe from this list, e-mail majordomo@thekrib.com with "unsubscribe aga-contest" in the body of the message. To subscribe to the digest version, add "subscribe aga-contest-digest" in the same message. Old messages are available at http://lists.thekrib.com/aga-contest