There isn't room in the brochure to duplicate the rules for another division. As I see it, the main change needed to adapt the rules we already have (for aquascapes) is to change the word "aquascape" for "garden pond" - the same sort of rules should be able to be applied to both. This can (and will) be put on the web site. The Botanical Art division, in my view, doesn't even need to be "judged" - at least not by any predetermined set of rules. I don't presume to try and guess at the types of entries this category might attract (if any), so I don't even want to go any further than I have in the brochure as far as setting up "rules" for it. I make no claims to being a graphic designer - maybe we could go to the APD and ask for a volunteer to do us a poster. I don't have the time to worry about redoing the one I posted. I have the text from the web site, and I'm working on "generalizing" it, to accomodate the new categories, but from what I can see right now, there IS going to have to be some minor programing changes regarding buttons and such that only Erik can do - if he's willing to do it. When I registered with the site and tried to enter a drawing, it doesn't seem sensible to be using the same fields as are needed for an aquascape (although those same fields would work just fine for a pond). If he's NOT able to do it, that presents us with a problem, because it will be awkard for people to enter something into a framework expecting an aquascape. I'm wondering - and asking for honest answers here, if there is REAL objection to the inclusion of these new facets into the mix. I asked this same question weeks ago and none of the objections seemed plausible (at least to me at the time). If people DON'T want the new categories - and can give me REAL resons why they shouldn't be included, SPEAK UP. If your reasoning is "because its an aquascaping contest", SAY SO. But say so NOW, not 6 months from now, and please give some thoughts to your reasoning - will it really hurt the aquascaping to include other things into the mix? James ------------------ To unsubscribe from this list, e-mail majordomo@thekrib.com with "unsubscribe aga-contest" in the body of the message. To subscribe to the digest version, add "subscribe aga-contest-digest" in the same message. Old messages are available at http://lists.thekrib.com/aga-contest When asked, log in as username is "aga-contest", and password "second".