One thing that is driving me to present this subject is the way I see the aquariums that people call biotopes. 1) Most of these tanks are theme tanks done by hobbyists who are of the aquascaping mindset. Mostly these tanks are designed with aquascaping as the primary focus, and the biotope reference is often minimally accurate (not always). Most of these tanks are planted and need to be entered in one of the planted aquaria categories. 2) A few of the theme tanks above are plantless. Once again very few of these tanks have been accurate biotope representations, although some have been outstanding aquascapes and works of art. These entries either need to be entered in one of the existing aquascaping categories along with planted tanks, or in a new "aquascaped unplanted tank" category. Jeff's tank proves that these aquascapes can compete with planted tanks as far as aquascaping goes. 3) Biotope tanks as I see them, are those where people are trying to reproduce an environment. The majority of these people collect their plants locally in ditches, lakes and streams. Many people like this "local" idea because they see the biotope and have control over the environment as far as choosing everything they need from nature. They have a special pride in discovering a new aquatic plant, since only about one in twenty plants usually is satisfactory for submerged growth. It can take over a month of searching to discover a new suitable plant. Most of the time these plants are not as easy to aquascape with. Often its hard enough to just make them look decent in a tank. Compared to the work aquascapers put into a design, these aquarists also put in lot of a very different kind of work into their local biotopes. Also you can't compare these tanks with those of aquascapers who have every commercially available plant in the world to choose from to make a perfect presentation. The biotoper's "palette" of colors and forms is usually, depending on the environment, just an extremely small subset of what aquascapers can use. Just think of what a biotoper living near the Artic circle in Sweden or Canada has to work with (these people exist), or in SW Texas where its hard enough to just find some water. So instead of art, biotopers model realism. That's why they need a category of their own. These local biotopes are often lifetime learning projects. That's the enjoyment these people get out of the hobby. Carlos said, > If the biotope population is small in the U.S. (specializing in foreign > biotopes), than those > that go out to locally collect plants is even minute. > Yes, see above. The majority of these people are actually more into aquascaping and these are theme tanks. I have corresponded with maybe 2 dozen people in the last six months who are actively involved in making their own local biotopes. How many total biotopers these people represent, I do not know, but if about 10 percent of these people (3) attempt realistic biotopes in the AGA contest it sort of figures. > Let me say this, however, that aquascapers also typically have the > healthiest plants > out there. Plant health is a massive part of aquascaping. A good design will > not look > good without healthy plants. Amano calls plant health as the sin quo non of > aquascaping. I very much agree. They are leaders in the state of the art including the science of plant propagation. They have my utmost respect and I someday hope to emulate them. Biotopists are only starting to develop ways to represent the natural appearance of plants and other objects in an environment. Since they are often dealing with "unknown" plants they often have a special handicap just getting a plant to grow. > A tank with wild rice and Crypt becketti can be made to be beautiful, > however. Aquascaping > doesn't just have to be about competing with one another. It also has to do > with creating > something beautiful that you get to enjoy on a day to day basis. Again agreed but then if aquascaping is the chief concern put the entry in an aquascaping category. The way things are going, with all of my experimental rice ponds and rice planted tank, I will be able to tell you in about a year how well I can represent Wild Rice in an aquarium. After a few months, wild rice appears to be an "ugly" amphibious grass. Once again if someone spends months of research on local plants and a biotope tank, he shouldn't be penalized because aquascaping was the primary consideration. The accomplishment is in the research, and the presentation of an accurate biotope. If it is ugly the biotope shouldn't win, but the realistic presentation of the plants and the environment, should be the primary goal of a biotope, with aquascaping a secondary consideration when it can be applied. Gee, I think I've said about everything I can say on this. I am slowly developing my aquascaping skills, and do enjoy aquascapes, so please don't think I'm doing this as an antagonist. Its just that I have developed a love for this biotope/research part of the hobby, and I think that it is important to preserve. Steve Pituch ------------------ To unsubscribe from this list, e-mail majordomo@thekrib.com with "unsubscribe aga-contest" in the body of the message. To subscribe to the digest version, add "subscribe aga-contest-digest" in the same message. Old messages are available at http://lists.thekrib.com/aga-contest When asked, log in as username is "aga-contest", and password "second".