OK, on to my next delimma. Judges. I've now had several suggestions of
people... but they're the *same* people who are judging the AB contest and
now the DFWAPC contest. They'll probably even be judging a lot of the
same tanks. I think we need some diversity here.
- Erik
On Fri, 21 May 2004, S. Hieber wrote:
> Or you couldjust count first place rankings towards first
> place. Then if no one thought an entry should be first, it
> could not win first.
>
> There are several ways to go about this. By applying
> rankings rather rather than scores -- essentially the
> durrent method as I understand it, the weighting that the
> judge had in mind is pretty much erased. The kicker in all
> this is that there's no one right way to do it. It's a
> matter of imposing outcomes after the scoring has occurred.
>
> sh
> --- Roger Miller <roger@spinn.net> wrote:
> > On Friday 21 May 2004 11:50, you wrote:
> >
> > > Figures -- it's just me. But that is extraordinary when
> > you
> > > think about it. With all the noise each year over how
> > the
> > > judging occurs and how it should have occurred, no one
> > > considers how the scores might actually matter -- they
> > > assume, like voters in federal elections that a vote is
> > a
> > > vote and a winner is a winner and it's only the
> > subjective
> > > valuation of the voter that makes a diff.
> >
> > I understand that our experience in the 2002 contest was
> > not unique. In one
> > case two judges scored an entry so that it was at or near
> > the top of the
> > category and a third judge scored the same entry so that
> > it was near the
> > bottom of the category. When the judge's ranks were
> > averaged the entry was
> > not in the top 3 -- despite the fact that 2 out of 3
> > judges believed the
> > entry was one of the best in the category.
> >
> > I suggested afterwords that the scores should be averaged
> > using a harmonic
> > mean rather than an arithmetic mean. That way if one
> > judge decides to give a
> > low score to an entry the low score is underweighted in
> > the final decision.
> > I think this is a good choice because -- as Erik pointed
> > out -- the low
> > scores contain a lot of noise. Low scores probably
> > should not be equally
> > weighted, which they are when using an arithmetic mean.
> > It also might help
> > avoid having a judge (or judges) feel like a
> > strongly-held opinion has been
> > ignored. I think most judges are going to have stronger
> > opinions about the
> > entries they award high scores than they do about the
> > entry they award low
> > scores.
> >
> > Now I'm renewing that suggestion. I think the judge's
> > ranks should be
> > combined using an harmonic mean. That is a detail that
> > can be changed in the
> > procedure even without changing the documentation.
> >
> >
> > Roger
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