Re: [AGA-mcm] AGA2K4 Feedback Summary

[Larry Lampert <l_lampert@yahoo.com>]

Karen said:
That said, once everyone goes home, there is exactly
> the same griping among
> some competitors, about who "got robbed", which
> judges were "blind"...<g>
> 
> Karen

That is so true in any subjective judging situation.
Heck look at mens gymnastics ;-).

anyways, I want to say again, I was really impressed
with the judges and I don't think this piece is
broken. I just think everyone has an opinion on how it
should be.

Larry
--- Karen Randall <krandall@rdrcpa.biz> wrote:

> Well, there are different kinds of horse
> competitions.  There are "sport"
> shows, like dressage, hunters or reining, where the
> the performance alone is
> judged. (not the quality of the animal) So they are
> much more akin to figure
> skating or gymnastics in terms of judging.  Then
> there is racing and show
> jumping, which are entirely objective... Who goes
> the fastest, with the
> fewest penalties.
> 
> With horses, the breeds typically do not show
> against each other... there
> are separate shows for each breed.  Technically, the
> horses are judged
> against a breed standard.  In reality, depending on
> the breed, it can matter
> more who is holding onto the end of the lead. (for a
> while, in one breed,
> people were jokingly trying to get a ruling passed
> that the handlers had to
> wear paper bags over there heads<g>)  So far, there
> is no real money
> involved in aquascaping, so there isn't the
> incentive for dishonesty that
> creeps into horse showing, and I suspect dog showing
> as well.
> 
> But in one way, dog showing and horse showing are
> exactly alike... If you
> even APPROACH a judge at a horse show without the
> express permission of the
> show steward, even after your classes are over, you
> will be in big trouble.
> At very least, you will lose any winnings and be
> asked to leave the show
> grounds.  At worst, there can be long lasting (up to
> life-long) sanctions as
> well as fines.
> 
> That said, once everyone goes home, there is exactly
> the same griping among
> some competitors, about who "got robbed", which
> judges were "blind"...<g>
> 
> Karen
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "S. Hieber" <shieber@yahoo.com>
> To: "AGA Advisory Committee" <aga-mcm@thekrib.com>
> Sent: Monday, November 22, 2004 4:31 PM
> Subject: Re: [AGA-mcm] AGA2K4 Feedback Summary
> 
> 
> > Karen, any horseshow methods relevent?
> > sh
> > --- Larry Lampert <l_lampert@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > > I am not disagreeing with your point but to
> continue
> > > on w/ the Dog show analogy. In a dog shows
> smiliar
> > > dogs are judged together in "Groups" ie, working
> ,
> > > Toy, Hounds. They way it is done on a judging
> level is
> > > that the dogs are not "judged" against each
> other per
> > > say but rather to the "Standard".
> > >
> > > The standard represents what the ideal breed of
> that
> > > dog should look like. How that dog conforms to
> the
> > > ideal standard is how well it will do in a show.
> That
> > > is how during best-in-show you can have an Akita
> vs a
> > > Shih Tzu vs a Jack Russel, etc.
> > >
> > > The responsibility for understanding the
> standards
> > > lies with the judges. They are selected for
> their
> > > assignments accordingly. Since there are so many
> > > breeds of dogs and yet only three main styles of
> > > aquascaping with many being derivatives of the
> three
> > > it should not be to difficult for the judges to
> be
> > > able to identify and score accordingly.
> > >
> > > That being said I thought the judges this year
> did a
> > > great job at judging and a wonderful job also at
> > > explaining their decision in front of a large
> > > audience. This is taboo in the dog world. The
> judges
> > > very rarely explain any of their decisions even
> in
> > > private.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Larry
> >
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