Re: [AGA-mcm] AGA2K4 Feedback Summary

["Karen Randall" <krandall@rdrcpa.biz>]

I think that depends on the judges.  I give people the benefit of the doubt
whether they can maintain an aquascape that is mostly stem plants.  _UNLESS_
they are using stem plants in an obviously inappropriate manner. (like H.
difformis as a ground cover... it happens<g>)  But I also knocked a "Nature
Aquarium" type tank in the ADA contest down quite a bit because the aquarist
had stuck little frilly water sprites in here and there.  It made a pretty
"snap shot", but was clearly not maintainable in that form.  Other judges
didn't mark it down for that, though.  So sometimes even the judges don't
agree, or maybe sometimes don't KNOW what is sustainable and what isn't.

Karen
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ghazanfar Ghori" <ghorig@gmail.com>
To: "AGA Advisory Committee" <aga-mcm@thekrib.com>
Sent: Monday, November 22, 2004 4:07 PM
Subject: Re: [AGA-mcm] AGA2K4 Feedback Summary


> True...
> But its like judging cats & dogs in the same show with the same criteria.
> They're both pets we keep, and similar in many ways, but also very
> different in a lot of aspects when it comes to judging them.
> True dutch aquascapes will almost always score low on the ..wassit
called...
> 'viability?' section of scoring since they need to be meticulously
maintained.
> Etc etc...just my opinion....work is pulling me away....i'll finish this
later..
>
>
> On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 12:59:20 -0800 (PST), S. Hieber <shieber@yahoo.com>
wrote:
> > But the contest might not yet be large enough to break out
> > into separate styles for judging. Oh, and fourth style,
> > biotopes ;-)
> >
> > sh
> >
> >
> > --- Ghazanfar Ghori <ghorig@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > There's no way around it. Part of the whole point of the
> > > comments is to
> > > provide insight on what would make it better - but people
> > > perceive that
> > > in a negative way. In a couple of discussions, a few
> > > folks have also mentioned
> > > that Amano's comments on the AGA website on the scapes
> > > are mostly negative.
> > >
> > > At the AGA convention itself, it may be a better idea to
> > > just show the winning
> > > scapes and comments on why it won.
> > >
> > > Some people take criticism well. Others perceive it
> > > negatively.
> > >
> > >
> > > There is one major problem IMO, with how we're judging
> > > scapes.
> > > There are three distinct styles....
> > >
> > > Nature Aquarium - that in itself has several sub-styles
> > > that have critera
> > > that they're judged on.
> > >
> > > Dutch - (strict includes no wood or rock as part of the
> > > scape itself)
> > >
> > > American (Almost Dutch, without the rock/wood
> > > restrictions and less
> > > stronger plant groupings)
> > >
> > > To judge all three styles fairly using one criteria is
> > > probably
> > > difficult, if not
> > > impossible.
> > >
> > >
> > > On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 10:59:36 -0500, Karen Randall
> > > <krandall@rdrcpa.biz> wrote:
> > > > > >From the few comments I heard back about the
> > > aquascaping awards, what
> > > > > most people did not like was the 'rush' to go through
> > > them, and the
> > > > perceived
> > > > > 'negativeness' of the comments. There was no option
> > > but to go through
> > > > > the awards quickly due to the schedule changes. If
> > > we'd taken our time
> > > > there,
> > > > > we'd have even more people complaining about how late
> > > Amano's demo was.
> > > >
> > > > I think we all understand the "rush" part, and the
> > > reasons behind it.  But
> > > > I'm surprised that people thought the comments were
> > > excessively negative.
> > > > I'd like to hear what some of you thought.  I thought
> > > we tried to give
> > > > constructive criticizm.  I know I was not the only one
> > > who mentioned several
> > > > times that a case could be made for many of the tanks
> > > being "the winner".
> > > > But if you don't get nit-picky, there is no way to
> > > justify picking one tank
> > > > over another.
> > > >
> > > > Karen
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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