Re: [AGA-mcm] AGA2K4 Feedback Summary

["Karen Randall" <krandall@rdrcpa.biz>]

Well, there are different kinds of horse competitions.  There are "sport"
shows, like dressage, hunters or reining, where the the performance alone is
judged. (not the quality of the animal) So they are much more akin to figure
skating or gymnastics in terms of judging.  Then there is racing and show
jumping, which are entirely objective... Who goes the fastest, with the
fewest penalties.

With horses, the breeds typically do not show against each other... there
are separate shows for each breed.  Technically, the horses are judged
against a breed standard.  In reality, depending on the breed, it can matter
more who is holding onto the end of the lead. (for a while, in one breed,
people were jokingly trying to get a ruling passed that the handlers had to
wear paper bags over there heads<g>)  So far, there is no real money
involved in aquascaping, so there isn't the incentive for dishonesty that
creeps into horse showing, and I suspect dog showing as well.

But in one way, dog showing and horse showing are exactly alike... If you
even APPROACH a judge at a horse show without the express permission of the
show steward, even after your classes are over, you will be in big trouble.
At very least, you will lose any winnings and be asked to leave the show
grounds.  At worst, there can be long lasting (up to life-long) sanctions as
well as fines.

That said, once everyone goes home, there is exactly the same griping among
some competitors, about who "got robbed", which judges were "blind"...<g>

Karen

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "S. Hieber" <shieber@yahoo.com>
To: "AGA Advisory Committee" <aga-mcm@thekrib.com>
Sent: Monday, November 22, 2004 4:31 PM
Subject: Re: [AGA-mcm] AGA2K4 Feedback Summary


> Karen, any horseshow methods relevent?
> sh
> --- Larry Lampert <l_lampert@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > I am not disagreeing with your point but to continue
> > on w/ the Dog show analogy. In a dog shows smiliar
> > dogs are judged together in "Groups" ie, working ,
> > Toy, Hounds. They way it is done on a judging level is
> > that the dogs are not "judged" against each other per
> > say but rather to the "Standard".
> >
> > The standard represents what the ideal breed of that
> > dog should look like. How that dog conforms to the
> > ideal standard is how well it will do in a show. That
> > is how during best-in-show you can have an Akita vs a
> > Shih Tzu vs a Jack Russel, etc.
> >
> > The responsibility for understanding the standards
> > lies with the judges. They are selected for their
> > assignments accordingly. Since there are so many
> > breeds of dogs and yet only three main styles of
> > aquascaping with many being derivatives of the three
> > it should not be to difficult for the judges to be
> > able to identify and score accordingly.
> >
> > That being said I thought the judges this year did a
> > great job at judging and a wonderful job also at
> > explaining their decision in front of a large
> > audience. This is taboo in the dog world. The judges
> > very rarely explain any of their decisions even in
> > private.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Larry
>
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