On Sat, 2 Jul 2005, Cheryl Rogers wrote:
This is exactly the kind of thing we should be supporting. They
aren't asking anything but that we spread the word.
I wonder if one of our sponsors would be willing to supply bulbs
for purposes of testing?
That's cool, although you'd think that from this e-mail that he has
the blessings of me, George, Tom and Elaine. I don't know if George
has even said more than 2 words to him, and the last e-mail I sent
was "keep me OUT". Why? His research project is to prove that
there is no difference in plant growth between 5000K and 10000K
bulbs. But folks keep telling him "duh, people already know this.
People buy bulbs based on how they want the aquarium to look." His
original proposal painted Amano and all the other sellers of
aquarium equipment as out to defraud the aquarium public. As I had
just briefly replied to a single e-mail of his, I was very surprised
when I suddently was being used as a name to rope others in, and
not-so-happy to find myself being made one of his "researchers". So
I replied and told him I was WAAAAY to busy, but the AGA would
probably be delighted to publish results. His reply: "OK, but then
you need to find your replacement, and you still need to be an
advisor". HUH?
Tom, though thinking we need enthusiastic folks like this guy, has
had some pretty verbose scathing replies to him. He gave some
scientific reasons why "color temp doesn't matter", but he has also
said that such an experiment, to really work, would take years and
involve lots of tanks species, and the results just aren't that big
of a deal -- there were so many other projects that could debunk
some REAL fraud that hurts REAL people (such as Hydrilla pills).
Further, Tom suggested that to start out by alienating all of the
vendors, some of whom (Amano) have done more to advance the hobby
than any of us, is probably not a good idea. A stripped-down
proposal (enclosed) was then sent to us the next day without reply.
I'm not saying not to help this guy out & spread the word. I would
love to have an article in TAG that shows that color temp doesn't
matter. Just be careful of what his true intent is here.
Now, I have a spinoff idea (next message) I think would be fun...
- Erik
-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re:Plant Research project
Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 22:01:53 -0700
From: John Apsley <japsley@msn.com>
To: <cheryl@wilstream.com>
Dear Cheryl,
I was wondering after the upcoming convention in TX if you would help
get the word out about a research project we are doing? I have had
exhaustive emails with Tom Barr, and a few emails to Erik Olson and
George Booth. Elaine Thompson was kind enough to encourage this thing
along from the beginning. She will be unveiling the study July 9^th to
her San Diego club. The project concerns a simple experiment to
hopefully show if higher Kelvin lights, based on the Amano formula of
intensity, is actually better than cool whites watt for watt. The
research will be set to go from mid January to mid April. Results will
get published, and I believe it will start to put some actual science
into why we should or shouldnt use higher Kelvin lights. We are hoping
to get several dozen or more participants. Lots of plants and fish in
tank 18 or deeper will be the criteria. You may not know this, but
there is actually no science backing up claims that higher Kelvin lights
are any better than CWF. I believe the CFs with higher Kelvin are,
especially under the specifics of the test, but this will be the first
study of its kind.
If you would like I will send you the proposal for your perusal. Just
let me know when would be a good time to do so with all that you have
going on.
Many thanks,
Dr. John Apsley
7327 Silent Creek Avenue, SE
Snoqualmie, WA 98065
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