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Re: [AGA-mcm] Fwd: SFBAAPS: AGA Program Proposal (fwd)



I would hold off on sending Jim comments for now. I really want to get across to Jim that they need to secure the hotel FIRST. I don't want to muddy things too much with little details like this so early in the process.

But...here's what I know:

He's already heard from multiple people about the schedule being too tight & is planning on backing it out.

As for "the auction is all that can happen on Sunday", to quote Wright Huntley, "hogwash!" We swung Amano's demo Sunday morning in 2001, PLUS the panel discussion (gak!). In 2002 we did the panel discussion before the auction. Yeah, the auction workers don't get to see it, and they'd have to schedule it in a different room, but it might be doable.

But those are just scheduling details. Move the introductions to Friday night & reduce to 10 minutes each, knock off or move a speaker, problem solved!


On Wed, 3 Aug 2005, S. Hieber wrote:

Now not only can I not afford to go; I can't catch my
breath if I get there. No, seriously, looks like a lot of
hard thought went into this. I would like to give some more
detailed and helpful comments by tommorrow afternoon, after
I have had a chance to digest this.

But briefly:

Too much stuff and not enough time between for shmoozing.

Nothing will happen well on Sunday but the Auction -- if
there's too much activity for Fri and Sat, then maybe move
the stuff to Thurs -- but 4-day events are very tiring.

The auction should start as early as reasonable-- it
greatly affects the financial results and by 1:00 or 2:00pm
all the good buyers are gone. So the later it saterts, the
less revenue, which means the higher ticket prices need to
be to assure a breakeven.

What will the "aquarium plant community spots" present?
Will they just get up and wing it? Will they be sales
pitches? Looks like commerical vendors mainly--will they be
commericals--if so, maybe they should present in the vendor
room?

Are they considering Kingfish?

How will they know how many vans to rent if they don't
prebook fares? (don't forget insurance)

I assume the 2 hour ride is if nothing goes wrong? No
traffic problems? Is there some slack built into that.

Yes, location location location -- it will determine costs
and prices and attendance as much or more than any other
factor. Are they still considering outside of SF for lower
hotel prices?

Should these notes be sent to conheads? Instead of MCM?

Anyone know if more than one aquatic hobby convention is
planned for the SF area in over the next 12 months?

sh

--- Erik Olson <erik@thekrib.com> wrote:

Here's Jim's proposed schedule (that apparently got
leaked into APC back
in April -- great).  I am still gently pushing him to
worry about the
hotel contract instead (but have also critiqued a few
items, such as the
frenetic pace of the talks).

   - Erik

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Erik Olson
erik at thekrib dot com

---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2005 13:44:21 -0400
From: jiml1029@aol.com
To: erik@thekrib.com
Subject: Fwd: SFBAAPS: AGA Program Proposal

Erik,

this is the proposed conference program I put together.

Some of the feedback was to include Monterey Bay Aquarium
trip (2hrs each way from SF) (Dave G.). Dave also
suggested we drop Sunday Panel discussion.

Also suggested was a earlier get-together for folks
taking the field trips , and also starting the field
trips earlier.

At the OH on this Sun, we got a good turnout ~25 people.
Talked with Jeff about restarting the Hotel search, but
did not get the chance to talk with Dave, as he did not
manage to make the second part of the day at Aqua Forest.

Aqua Forest Aquarium is outstanding. They carry the ADA
line and some less hi-end but good quality products.
Their display aquariums are great. They have not so far
used water column fertilization, and are having very
quick success with the Aquasoil and Amazonica substrate.
Great plant selection, pricey, but expected that. The
store is very nicely set up, like the pictures I've seen
of stores in Japan. George the owner has visited ADA, and
he has a picture up of his entry from ADA 2004
competition, which placed 64th. I hope they are very
successful.

Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: jiml1029@aol.com
To: sfbaaps@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 17:58:27 -0400
Subject: SFBAAPS: AGA Program Proposal



All,

As discussed at the last OH, we badly need to put a
program together for the
conference. I've  incorporated suggestions  from the
group. We seem to have a
pretty creative bunch.
Here is my first cut. Please critique, just let me get my
fire shield up first.

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Friday (preferably Nov 3 or 10, 2006)

11:00am - 4:00 pm Day trips

1. Mini Bus to local nature sites to see / collect
aquatic weeds etc (Tom Barr +
volunteer)
2. mini Bus to Steinhart, GG park Conservatory of flowers
(has pond exhibit,
neat place), then hit Ocean and Albany Aquariums (Michael
L + volunteer)

Mini Buses would be rented and driven by volunteers.
Spots filled up on 1st
come/1st served basis

4:00 - 7:00 pm General Registration

7:00pm Welcome/Community evening.

7:00 - 730 Dave Gomberg: Welcome.
Review Conference Agenda
Identify the speakers, and recognize them if present.

7:30 - 9:00 Aquarium Plant Community (10-15 min slots to
give voice to the
Aquatic Plant Community)
For Example.
Jeff Kropp for SFBAAPS
Reps from Other Aquatic Plant hobbiest groups

Tom Barr for Barr Report
Art G from APC
Robert H from Aquabotanic
Jeff Senske ADG
etc

laid back, focus on fun and mixing.

Saturday : The conference

7:00 - 8:00 Breakfast
8:00 - 8:30 AGA opening comments - Karen Randall
8:30 - 9:00 SFBAAPS Jim L. Conference notes, recognize
volunteers, etc
9:00 - 10:00 Jay Luto: Aquatic phtography
10:00 - 11:30 Dave Wilson: Aquatic plants from Australia
11:30 - 1:00 Lunch
1:00 - 2:00 Edward: PPS overview and Discussion
2:00 - 3:00 Tom Barr : Marine Plants
3:00 - 4:00 Frank : Freshwater Shrimp for the Aquarium
4:00 - 5:00 Erik Olsen: AGA contest winners
5:00 - 6:00 Intermission / vendor room focus
6:00 - 8:00 Banquet
8:00 - 10: 00 Keynote Speaker: Claus Christiansen
(Tropica)
(other suggestion here is Professor Tan (Briologist) on
mosses

Sunday:
7:30 - 8:30 Breakfast
8:30 - 9:30 Panel Q&A (Jeff Senske, Tom Barr, Claus
Christiansen, Edward, Dave
Wilson)
9:30 - 10:30 Iron Aquascapers
3*20 Gallon Aquariums -various aquascaping stuff.
Jeff Senske Vs Erik Leung Vs Luis Navarro
(or aquarium societies could propose their team)

10:30 - 2:00pm Live Auction
Silent auction would have been in progess from 9:00
onwards
(Start with 3 Iron Aquascapers Aquariums)
2:00 - 3:00pm Sell off all remaining items not auctioned
3:00 pm Close

----------------------------------------------

Okay. Would you go to this ?

Feedback Please !!!

Jim.













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