Re: [AGA-mcm] Fwd: SFBAAPS: AGA Program Proposal (fwd)

[Erik Olson <erik@thekrib.com>]

Everyone, this is all great feedback.  Keep all these thoughts in the back 
of your mind (they're also in the archive), so we can have the big 
discussion AFTER the hotel.

  - Erik

On Thu, 4 Aug 2005, Karen Randall wrote:

> I think if they couldn't get Professor Tan (which is very likely) that KL, 
> himself, could do the talk.  He wasn't the scientist involved, but it has 
> been his interest and persistence that has brought about the interest in 
> aquatic mosses for the purpose of aquascaping.  He would probably also be 
> able to present a much more balanced talk between the scientific discoveries 
> he has learned working with the professor, and the uses of these plants in 
> the aquarium.
>
> Karen
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cheryl Rogers" 
> <cheryl@rightstuffwebsites.com>
> To: "AGA Advisory Committee" <aga-mcm@thekrib.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 10:19 PM
> Subject: Re: [AGA-mcm] Fwd: SFBAAPS: AGA Program Proposal (fwd)
>
>
> > I only have one quick thought because I am sick and can't think straight.
> >
> > I LOVE the idea of bringing Professor Tan for a talk about mosses. I'm not 
> > sure this subject merits keynote speaker status, but given the space in TAG 
> > lately and the interest, it's cool.
> >
> > BUT does he speak English? I think if they do this they should alos bring 
> > KL; he's earned it and many would love to see him and thank him in person. 
> > If I had any money I would buy KL a plane ticket myself.
> >
> > Cheryl
> >
> >
> > S. Hieber wrote:
> > > Now not only can I not afford to go; I can't catch my
> > > breath if I get there. No, seriously, looks like a lot of
> > > hard thought went into this. I would like to give some more
> > > detailed and helpful comments by tommorrow afternoon, after
> > > I have had a chance to digest this.
> > >
> > > But briefly:
> > >
> > > Too much stuff and not enough time between for shmoozing.
> > >
> > > Nothing will happen well on Sunday but the Auction -- if
> > > there's too much activity for Fri and Sat, then maybe move
> > > the stuff to Thurs -- but 4-day events are very tiring.
> > >
> > > The auction should start as early as reasonable-- it
> > > greatly affects the financial results and by 1:00 or 2:00pm
> > > all the good buyers are gone. So the later it saterts, the
> > > less revenue, which means the higher ticket prices need to
> > > be to assure a breakeven.
> > >
> > > What will the "aquarium plant community spots" present?
> > > Will they just get up and wing it? Will they be sales
> > > pitches? Looks like commerical vendors mainly--will they be
> > > commericals--if so, maybe they should present in the vendor
> > > room?
> > >
> > > Are they considering Kingfish?
> > >
> > > How will they know how many vans to rent if they don't
> > > prebook fares? (don't forget insurance)
> > >
> > > I assume the 2 hour ride is if nothing goes wrong? No
> > > traffic problems? Is there some slack built into that.
> > >
> > > Yes, location location location -- it will determine costs
> > > and prices and attendance as much or more than any other
> > > factor. Are they still considering outside of SF for lower
> > > hotel prices?
> > >
> > > Should these notes be sent to conheads? Instead of MCM?
> > >
> > > Anyone know if more than one aquatic hobby convention is
> > > planned for the SF area in over the next 12 months?
> > >
> > > sh
> > >
> > > --- Erik Olson <erik@thekrib.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > > Here's Jim's proposed schedule (that apparently got
> > > > leaked into APC back in April -- great).  I am still gently pushing him 
> > > > to
> > > > worry about the hotel contract instead (but have also critiqued a few
> > > > items, such as the frenetic pace of the talks).
> > > >
> > > >   - Erik
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Erik Olson
> > > > erik at thekrib dot com
> > > >
> > > > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > > > Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2005 13:44:21 -0400
> > > > From: jiml1029@aol.com
> > > > To: erik@thekrib.com
> > > > Subject: Fwd: SFBAAPS: AGA Program Proposal
> > > >
> > > > Erik,
> > > >
> > > > this is the proposed conference program I put together.
> > > >
> > > > Some of the feedback was to include Monterey Bay Aquarium
> > > > trip (2hrs each way from SF) (Dave G.). Dave also
> > > > suggested we drop Sunday Panel discussion.
> > > >
> > > > Also suggested was a earlier get-together for folks
> > > > taking the field trips , and also starting the field
> > > > trips earlier.
> > > >
> > > > At the OH on this Sun, we got a good turnout ~25 people.
> > > > Talked with Jeff about restarting the Hotel search, but
> > > > did not get the chance to talk with Dave, as he did not
> > > > manage to make the second part of the day at Aqua Forest.
> > > >
> > > > Aqua Forest Aquarium is outstanding. They carry the ADA
> > > > line and some less hi-end but good quality products.
> > > > Their display aquariums are great. They have not so far
> > > > used water column fertilization, and are having very
> > > > quick success with the Aquasoil and Amazonica substrate.
> > > > Great plant selection, pricey, but expected that. The
> > > > store is very nicely set up, like the pictures I've seen
> > > > of stores in Japan. George the owner has visited ADA, and
> > > > he has a picture up of his entry from ADA 2004
> > > > competition, which placed 64th. I hope they are very
> > > > successful.
> > > >
> > > > Jim.
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: jiml1029@aol.com
> > > > To: sfbaaps@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Sent: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 17:58:27 -0400
> > > > Subject: SFBAAPS: AGA Program Proposal
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > All,
> > > >
> > > > As discussed at the last OH, we badly need to put a
> > > > program together for the
> > > > conference. I've  incorporated suggestions  from the
> > > > group. We seem to have a
> > > > pretty creative bunch.
> > > > Here is my first cut. Please critique, just let me get my
> > > > fire shield up first.
> > > >
> > > > ---------------------------------------------------
> > > >
> > > > Friday (preferably Nov 3 or 10, 2006)
> > > >
> > > > 11:00am - 4:00 pm Day trips
> > > >
> > > > 1. Mini Bus to local nature sites to see / collect
> > > > aquatic weeds etc (Tom Barr +
> > > > volunteer)
> > > > 2. mini Bus to Steinhart, GG park Conservatory of flowers
> > > > (has pond exhibit,
> > > > neat place), then hit Ocean and Albany Aquariums (Michael
> > > > L + volunteer)
> > > >
> > > > Mini Buses would be rented and driven by volunteers.
> > > > Spots filled up on 1st
> > > > come/1st served basis
> > > >
> > > > 4:00 - 7:00 pm General Registration
> > > >
> > > > 7:00pm Welcome/Community evening.
> > > >
> > > > 7:00 - 730 Dave Gomberg: Welcome.
> > > > Review Conference Agenda
> > > > Identify the speakers, and recognize them if present.
> > > >
> > > > 7:30 - 9:00 Aquarium Plant Community (10-15 min slots to
> > > > give voice to the
> > > > Aquatic Plant Community)
> > > > For Example.
> > > > Jeff Kropp for SFBAAPS
> > > > Reps from Other Aquatic Plant hobbiest groups
> > > >
> > > > Tom Barr for Barr Report
> > > > Art G from APC
> > > > Robert H from Aquabotanic
> > > > Jeff Senske ADG
> > > > etc
> > > >
> > > > laid back, focus on fun and mixing.
> > > >
> > > > Saturday : The conference
> > > >
> > > > 7:00 - 8:00 Breakfast
> > > > 8:00 - 8:30 AGA opening comments - Karen Randall
> > > > 8:30 - 9:00 SFBAAPS Jim L. Conference notes, recognize
> > > > volunteers, etc
> > > > 9:00 - 10:00 Jay Luto: Aquatic phtography
> > > > 10:00 - 11:30 Dave Wilson: Aquatic plants from Australia
> > > > 11:30 - 1:00 Lunch
> > > > 1:00 - 2:00 Edward: PPS overview and Discussion
> > > > 2:00 - 3:00 Tom Barr : Marine Plants
> > > > 3:00 - 4:00 Frank : Freshwater Shrimp for the Aquarium
> > > > 4:00 - 5:00 Erik Olsen: AGA contest winners
> > > > 5:00 - 6:00 Intermission / vendor room focus
> > > > 6:00 - 8:00 Banquet
> > > > 8:00 - 10: 00 Keynote Speaker: Claus Christiansen
> > > > (Tropica)
> > > > (other suggestion here is Professor Tan (Briologist) on
> > > > mosses
> > > >
> > > > Sunday:
> > > > 7:30 - 8:30 Breakfast
> > > > 8:30 - 9:30 Panel Q&A (Jeff Senske, Tom Barr, Claus
> > > > Christiansen, Edward, Dave
> > > > Wilson)
> > > > 9:30 - 10:30 Iron Aquascapers
> > > > 3*20 Gallon Aquariums -various aquascaping stuff.
> > > > Jeff Senske Vs Erik Leung Vs Luis Navarro
> > > > (or aquarium societies could propose their team)
> > > >
> > > > 10:30 - 2:00pm Live Auction
> > > > Silent auction would have been in progess from 9:00
> > > > onwards
> > > > (Start with 3 Iron Aquascapers Aquariums)
> > > > 2:00 - 3:00pm Sell off all remaining items not auctioned
> > > > 3:00 pm Close
> > > >
> > > > ----------------------------------------------
> > > >
> > > > Okay. Would you go to this ?
> > > >
> > > > Feedback Please !!!
> > > >
> > > > Jim.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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