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Re: Aga Members List (fwd)
I can hardly drink our tap water sometimes because of the additives and it's
so alkaline that my little test kit can't measure it. I use well water from
my daughter's house to water my non-aquatic plants - especially ferns (which
I collect) The well water tests out at about neutral, so adding a little
peat under the substrate should work out OK ? Now I have to figure out how
to measure all those other things :-)
Donna
----- Original Message -----
From: "S. Hieber" <shieber@yahoo.com>
To: <aga-member@thekrib.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2003 11:11 AM
Subject: Re: Aga Members List (fwd)
> Well water. Oh no that changes everything.
>
> No it doesn't -- I was just kidding. Well water is usually
> fine.
>
> Pure RO is usually not so fine; it's missing all those nice
> micronutrient, minerals, that plants and fish seem to like.
> I'm not a chemist but I think most drinkable water is
> suitable for aquaria.
>
> If the water is too abundant with some things, then you
> might need to reduce the levels of those things. If it's
> especially high in iron or nitrates, for example, it might
> need to be cut with some RO water but in many cases well
> water is just fine.
>
> If the pH is very high, you might want to cut it with RO or
> just add a little acid to bring the pH down.
>
> But it probably is fine just as it is. Can you find out
> what's in your water? Do you need a water softener to use
> the water for household purposes?
>
> Scott H.
> --- Donna McGraw <donnamcg@swbell.net> wrote:
> > OK, I'm ready to bite the bullet. I'm going on vacation
> > for a week
> > beginning tomorrow but as soon as I get back, I'm going
> > to go get that
> > substrate and get started. Do I have to have RO water or
> > can I use
> > untreated well water to fill the tank?
> >
> > Donna
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "S. Hieber" <shieber@yahoo.com>
> > To: <aga-member@thekrib.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2003 9:31 AM
> > Subject: Re: Aga Members List (fwd)
> >
> >
> > > Righto! But I thought I covered that with the fish.
> > >
> > > You can seed with mulm from another tank if you want
> > > virtually skip cycling, but that's not necessary --
> > you're
> > > gonna have bacteria almost no matter what you do. A
> > > healthy aquarium is a bowl of warm bacteria soup :-)
> > The
> > > organic material feeds the bacteria and heated water
> > > cultures them. You have to start the organics
> > somewhere
> > > and one way to do that is with a *few* fish. You don't
> > > want to load the tank up with fish at the start but a
> > few
> > > are okay, even good. You *do* want to load up with
> > plants
> > > to absorb the nitrogen and provide lots of oxygen.
> > >
> > > You *can* even skip the fish altogether (some folks do)
> > but
> > > you still have to put in fish food or some other more
> > > measured and balanced source of nutrients for the
> > plants.
> > >
> > > A filter to mechanically control detritus is a good
> > idea in
> > > a planted tank but the bacteria in the planted tank (in
> > the
> > > gravel, on all the surfaces, will probably be enough
> > with
> > > or without a biofilter -- provided you keep your plants
> > fed
> > > and don't go crazy and overfeed the plants or your
> > fish.
> > >
> > > If you don't put in a filter, then you should at least
> > have
> > > a powerhead or other pump to ensure some circulation --
> > I
> > > did forget that, didn't I?
> > >
> > > You don't have to add any CO2. You can grow a very
> > nice
> > > planted tank without adding any CO2. Plants will not
> > grow
> > > as fast and you won't need as much lighting (and that
> > ain't
> > > necessarily bad, is it?) but lots of plants will do
> > just
> > > fine without added CO2. Try something hardy like the
> > > Amazon Sword (aka Echinodorus Bleheri) and water sprite
> > and
> > > java fern. There's lots of others but those are often
> > easy
> > > to find and you can grow them without added CO2
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Otoh, if you want to move away from simple, there is no
> > end
> > > tohow complex you can go. But you can keep things
> > simple
> > > and have a very nice planted tank. And if you have any
> > > artistic talent (which I don't), you can make a lovely
> > > aquascape with a simple tank.
> > >
> > > Simply yours,
> > > Scott H.
> > >
> > > --- Donna McGraw <donnamcg@swbell.net> wrote:
> > > > Scott, is it really that simple? What about adding
> > > > bacteria, a filter, CO2?
> > > >
> > > > Donna
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "S. Hieber" <shieber@yahoo.com>
> > > > To: <aga-member@thekrib.com>
> > > > Sent: Monday, April 28, 2003 12:45 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: Aga Members List (fwd)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Put in substrate, a little water, plants plants
> > plants,
> > > > > then fill with water. Everything else is
> > secondary.
> > > > Oh
> > > > > yes, a few fish can be nice too ;-)
> > > > >
> > > > > What plants do you think you'll start with? Where
> > will
> > > > you
> > > > > be getting them?
> > > > >
> > > > > If that 48 seems daunting, why not set up a little
> > 15
> > > > > gallon to start -- it can become a quarrantine tank
> > > > later.
> > > > > Once you get that one going, you just might jump
> > right
> > > > on
> > > > > ahead to the 48.
> > > > >
> > > > > Scott H.
> > > > > --- Donna McGraw <donnamcg@swbell.net> wrote:
> > > > > > OK, I'll fess-up too. I've been a member about 6
> > > > months
> > > > > > and have a 48 gal
> > > > > > bow front sitting in my entry way waiting to be
> > set
> > > > up as
> > > > > > an underwater
> > > > > > garden - my first attempt. I'm not sure what's
> > so
> > > > > > intimidating about it but
> > > > > > . . . .
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Donna M
> > > > > > Houston
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: "dilvish" <dilvish@pacbell.net>
> > > > > > To: <aga-member@thekrib.com>
> > > > > > Sent: Monday, April 28, 2003 11:51 AM
> > > > > > Subject: Re: Aga Members List (fwd)
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > heh.. seems to be a lot of us lurking in the
> > > > > > background. I'm a new member
> > > > > > > as well so Hello there everyone.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Dennis
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > From: "tandj" <tgray@stx.rr.com>
> > > > > > > To: <aga-member@thekrib.com>
> > > > > > > Sent: Monday, April 28, 2003 8:55 AM
> > > > > > > Subject: Re: Aga Members List (fwd)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hello group, I'm a new member also. I joined
> > after
> > > > > > reading some sample
> > > > > > > articles on the internet. The current issue of
> > TAG
> > > > is
> > > > > > wonderful.
> > > > > > > Tim Gray
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > -------Original Message-------
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > From: aga-member@thekrib.com
> > > > > > > Date: Monday, April 28, 2003 8:40:12 AM
> > > > > > > To: aga-member@thekrib.com
> > > > > > > Subject: Re: Aga Members List (fwd)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > List was down, perhaps since the upgrade,
> > here's a
> > > > post
> > > > > > that didn't make
> > > > > > > it. Testing to make sure it does now...
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > From: DWS
> > > > > > > To: aga-member@thekrib.com
> > > > > > > Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2003 7:01 PM
> > > > > > > Subject: AGA Mailing List --
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hello All,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > After asking around I found that this is one of
> > the
> > > > > > larger groups of
> > > > > > > committed Aquarium Plant Hobbyists available. I
> > > > > > received a sample of the
> > > > > > > TAG, and liked what I saw. So I became a member
> > and
> > > > > > joined this mailing
> > > > > > > list. Its been over a week, and I am yet to see
> > one
> > > > > > post. Is this a
> > > > > > > problem with my account, or is there just no
> > > > activity?
> > > > > > I contacted the
> > > > > > list
> > > > > > > administrator, and was told there was just not
> > alot
> > > > of
> > > > > > traffic.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Why Not? Doesn't anyone have anything to say?
> > > > Ideas?
> > > > > > Questions?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > How many people are on this list?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > If Your there Id like to get to know you
> > better.
> > > > Which
> > > > > > is one of the only
> > > > > > > purposes I joined. I'm in Indiana, and besides
> > a
> > > > few
> > > > > > small clubs in
> > > > > > > Indianapolis (an hour drive from here) there
> > are no
> > > > > > other aquarium
> > > > > > hobbyists
> > > > > > > around. :)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I just thought Id throw my 2 cents out there
> > and
> > > > see
> > > > > > what happened. If
> > > > > > > there are posts and I'm missing something,
> > please
> > > > let
> > > > > > me know what I'm
> > > > > > doing
> > > > > > > wrong.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Thank You
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > A New Member
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Dustin Stonebraker
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
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> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > From: "Erik Olson" <erik@thekrib.com>
> > > > > > > To: "DWS" <dws@mbbookstore.com>
> > > > > > > Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2003 11:57 PM
> > > > > > > Subject: Re: Aga Members List
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Did you mail it to aga-member@thekrib.com ?
> > > > Usually I
> > > > > > get a bounce when
> > > > > > > > things don't work.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > - Erik
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On Mon, 28 Apr 2003, DWS wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Hi Erik,
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I am still not receiving any posts to the
> > > > mailling
> > > > > > list. I even sent a
> > > > > > > > > email to the list The evening of Apr 27th
> > and
> > > > am
> > > > > > yet to receive it.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Please let me know why.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Dustin Stonebraker
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > > > From: "Erik Olson" <erik@thekrib.com>
> > > > > > > > > To: "DWS" <dws@mbbookstore.com>
> > > > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2003 8:23 AM
> > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: Aga Members List
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Hi Dustin,
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Basically not a lot of traffic right now.
> > > > Feel
> > > > > > free to ask something
> > > > > > > on
> > > > > > > > > > the list, though!
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > - Erik
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > On Thu, 24 Apr 2003, DWS wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Hello,
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > I was wodering why I am not getting any
> > of
> > > > the
> > > > > > messages. Ive
> > > > > > > > > subscribed, but have gotten nothing in the
> > last
> > > > > > three days. Is there
> > > > > > > > > nothing being said, or what?
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Please let me know asap.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Thanks
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Dustin
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > > > Erik Olson
> > > > > > > > > > erik at thekrib dot com
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > Erik Olson
> > > > > > > > erik at thekrib dot com
> > > > > > > >
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