------ Flow charts, that plot GPH against amount of head are much better than 0' head output ratings, keep in mind that the flow charts still assume clean everything. So if you measure a 3' rise from pump to return, the head is actually greater than 3' even if yo have no turns or joints in the path. ------- On the same page is a downloadable excel spread sheet, the macros are safe, that allows one to plug in various pumps and various fittings to find actual head and actual flow. While it is not all inclusive it certainly is a far sight better then any other tool I've used. P.R. Escobal's Aquatic System Engineering has detailed charts on friction and head loss of various common PVC parts as well as theoretical losses for various technical devices; i.e. reactors, UV units. I believe the book is now out of print but is available used. The info stands the test of time, be forewarned, there is quite a bit of math with cryptic formulae that makes this tome good insomnia reading. -------- It would be nice also if sound/noise data was available from pump manufacturers, but usually it is not -- except for subjective terms like "quiet" which are sometimes surprisingly inappropriate. ------- Yes, anecdotal info is all seem to have. That said, the Blueline series of pumps is reported to be very quiet. I use the Japanese made Iwaki pumps, much quieter then the US models. ------ Right now I'm looking for a good external back up pump for my sump and so far I've been disappointed with the three pumps I've tried -- they pump but they are noisy -- clickety clickety clickety. I prefer rotors with fixed vanes. ----- Mounting the pump on a hanging board cuts the resonance. I'll attempt ASCII art to demonstrate. O O | | | | | | |________| Suspending a platform with wire and attaching the pump to the platform with bolts. Short lengths of flexible hose to the inlet an outlet will aid in cutting down resonance. I place a layer of neoprene between the pump base and shelf. Nylon mounting hardware also cuts down the noise floor and has the added benefit of not rusting. The entire assembly is suspended from screw eyes. gnatster ------------------ To unsubscribe from this list, please send mail to majordomo@thekrib.com with "Unsubscribe aga-member" in the body of the message. Archives of this list can be found at http://lists.thekrib.com/aga-member/