Richard Schiek asks > The old substrate had a rotting smell > I assume that this is bad No its ok, the smell is quite normal for any substrate, particularly a soil substrate. The tank stopped being productive because you probably ran out of nutrients that had initially made it grow well. A soil substrate can supply a lot of nitrogen for several months and this helps to support rapid growth. Unfortunately, the nitrogen often appears as ammonia, which can sometimes create a green water bloom. Nitrates are not as easily assimilated by unicellular algae but are readily used by aquatic plants. Often all you need to do is begin dosing nitrates and growth will begin anew. The soil provides abundant phosphates, iron & trace minerals for years but is not a good long term source of nitrogen. As Thomas Barr has pointed out, dosing nitrates regularly & keeping CO2 levels high is an excellent way to have a highly productive tank. Soil also supplies CO2 for several months as the organic matter decays but this CO2 production declines over several months too so CO2 fertilization becomes more important, especially in "high" light tanks. You can consider anything over 1.5 watts/gal to be in the high light category IMHO. Others may disagree on that last point. :-) I continue to use soil+peat+micronized iron substrates even though they tend to be quite messy, and somewhat prone to algae problems. But they usually produce excellent results especially with Crypts. Peat seems to counteract some algae problems, possibly by releasing humic acids into the water. My theory on the micronized iron is that the reduced soluble iron in the substrate reacts with reduced phosphates to precipitate them, thereby keeping the P available only in the anaerobic reducing areas of the substrate where they are preferentially available to rooted plants. I also like to feed the roots with Osmocote (ammonium-nitrate) inside clay balls for those plants that I want bigger such as a Black Sword, Lace plant or other Aponogeton. Feeding N at the roots can reduce the amount of extra trimming you have to do on stem plants, which can grow like weeds if you are feeding N in the water heavily. What I mean is you can slack off the hydroponic N dosing and still keep that favourite centre-piece plant flourishing. Is heavy growth a problem with most folks? Or am I just complaining/bragging? :-P Steve P ------------------ To unsubscribe from this list, please send mail to majordomo@thekrib.com with "Unsubscribe aga-member" in the body of the message. Archives of this list can be found at http://lists.thekrib.com/aga-member/