Frank I too have had good experiences with Arizona Gardens. Quality above average and would have rated them higher before getting some plants from Lowcaster and having something better to compare them to. Most prices very good too. If price is a persons biggest concern then the larger online retailers are going to be hard to beat. But if a person wants something to look good 3 weeks from now not 4 months from now................ A suggestion for anyone using an online retailer for the first time (or any time!) is to be sure and tell the retailer "no substitutes". I learned this by ordering some Didiplis diandra and having them substitute Ceratoperis thalictroides. When I called them they politely told me that they were out of what I ordered and sent me a replacement plant to fill my order. Unfortunately I had just given a large bag of C. Thalictroides to my LFS to feed to their Koi and really didn't need any more. rich green milton ma _______________________________________________ AGA-Member mailing list AGA-Member@thekrib.com http://lists.thekrib.com/mailman/listinfo/aga-member