Re: PAM "adoption"

[Neil Frank <nfrank@mindspring.com>]

This is a tough decision. On the one hand, we could get old members (who
are PAM subscribers) pissed at us if they are not getting most of their
money back and they think we are associated with PAM. If I were a
subscriber, I will be pissed if I got back issues as "partial payment" even
if I got an the AGA membership or extension.  Then there are the AGA
members that wont get anything, unless we are willing to give them an
extention. If so, it will be quite expensive. On the other hand, I do like
the idea of us offering a one year free membership to all the
subscriber-non-members (to get them as prospective members), but this has a
down side too, since we may not have a TAG to send out to them. The idea of
getting back issues from him is sort of appealing (we could sell them
eventually), but I would want to (a) find out how many he has; (b) if he
will give us all of them and (c) how much space they would take. Then I
would want to check with Walstad. I think I feel better about it if he did
NOT send the back issues as partial payment. Even after getting the
answers, I will have to think some more before I give a thumbs up or down.

At 08:30 PM 11/14/2001 -0800, you wrote:
>David, do you also think we should also pass on any deals for trading back
>issues of PAM for AGA memberships? (Yes, maybe, no, emphatic no under no
>circumstances?)  I just want to get an idea of where the entire board
>stands on this.  Neil too!  So far Karen sounds lukewarm, like maybe if it
>was a better deal?  I'm undecided: the optimistic part says we could make
>it work.  The pessimistic side says avoid.  So I really am looking for
>input from everyone else.  Thanks.
>
>  - Erik
>
>On Wed, 14 Nov 2001, David VillaSunscape wrote:
>
>> I thought we had agreed Saturdaynight thatwe would not pick up PAM. I agree
>> that we should distance ourselves from PAM as muchas posssible.
>> As I promised Sunday after getting the offers from Amano, I will put
>> together a proposal for TAg and Amano. I will run this by the SC and
Merrill
>> and Mike Hellweg -- when we have agreed to what we want I will send it
on to
>> Amano.
>> David
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Erik Olson" <erik@thekrib.com>
>> To: <aga-sc@thekrib.com>
>> Sent: Monday, November 12, 2001 11:26 PM
>> Subject: PAM "adoption"
>> 
>> 
>> > OK.. so based on some e-mail I have received from Dave today (and talking
>> > with Kathy at dinner), I think that perhaps we should distance the AGA as
>> > much as possible from PAM now.  Dave is about to do something (sending an
>> > average of 6 copies of back issues as fulfillment to his remaining 300
>> > subscribers) that will not only piss off his entire membership, but could
>> > possibly bring on a lawsuit against him, and he seems unconcerned about
>> > it.
>> >
>> > He is awaiting an "answer" from the AGA on whether it wants to adopt PAM.
>> > Discussion is officially open on this issue now.  If someone would
like to
>> > make a motion, by all means, go for it.
>> >
>> > To recap the issue from my notes from Saturday:
>> >
>> >   * Dave has offered to give PAM to Karen, or the AGA.
>> >
>> >   * PAM assets include 330 subscribers, its 15 advertisers, a backlog of
>> >     articles, and a stockpile of back issues
>> >
>> >   * PAM liabilities include 1900 promised copies to the 330 subscribers,
>> >     and loans to Karen, Neil, and Dave himself.
>> >
>> >   * There are four jobs in Dave's world:
>> > "Cowboy" - get articles and photographs
>> > "Copy/Tech Editing" - "you can pay someone to do this"
>> > "Design" - Layout and such
>> > "Production" - Getting to the printers, mailing, etc
>> >
>> >   * Dave would like to continue as "cowboy" but not as anything else.
>> >
>> >   * Dave wants to continue to pay authors.  He currently pays them double
>> >     what the magazines pay, but does not pay anyone else for producing
>> PAM.
>> >     (Actually, I think he pays Karen, Neil and himself for tech ed and
>> >     production, but as loans.)
>> >
>> >   * Costs: Printing $3500/issue for 1500 copies.  $200 gets you an
>> >      additional 1000 copies.
>> >    Authors paid $3500/issue
>> >    Copy + tech edit $400
>> >    Production $20x80
>> >    Mailing 40 cents/issue  (80 cents foreign)
>> >    Office Supplies $200
>> >    Ads offset approx $4000 of this?
>> >
>> >   * Any of the above may be total BS, subject to change at any moment.
>> >
>> > --
>> > Erik Olson
>> > erik at thekrib dot com
>> >
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>Erik Olson
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