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Re: AGA Forums (fwd) 2nd Reply
I would read it the same way. My _feeling_ is that he's trying to bend over
backwards to NOT say anything that could make us say "no".
I think we should say, straight out, that we're intrigued by the idea IF:
* He will take management responsibility for the project, and commit to
running the whole thing for the foreseeable future.
* Ask him to work up the details, and present it to the BOD for approval.
* Tell him that it is against our policy to give out the membership list,
but that since most of the people who are "web savy" can be reached via the
mailing list, he's welcome to ask for help theat way, and that if he'd like,
once he's committed to the project, we will put a notice in TAG to sweep the
ones who don't read the list.
* Tell him that it is possible that a couple of people on the BOD would be
willing to lend a hand on the forum, but that he SHOULDN'T count on major
input from this group, as they are already stretched to the limit.
My personal opinion is that trying to get this done on the sly, without
Robert Hudson knowing could backfire very, VERY badly. I'd rather be
totally up-front about it, saying that this is just "another good addition"
to the places that people can turn to help with their planted tanks. If it's
not a secret, it's much easier to recruit without sneaking around and trying
to keep it a secret. If it's going to be a HUGE problem with AquaBotanic,
isn't it better to know that up-front?
Karen
----- Original Message -----
From: "S. Hieber" <shieber@yahoo.com>
To: <aga-sc@thekrib.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2003 11:32 AM
Subject: Re: AGA Forums (fwd) 2nd Reply
> Definitely not a straightforward answer, which would have
> been, if I'm understanding this, something like:
>
> ---I don't know who the moderators will be, although I am
> willing to recruit, I don't plan on doing so without some
> clear signal of support from the AGA Board to begin
> prototyping. along with that I'd like a membership list.
>
> Thus, the prooject proposal won't be further deveoloped
> unless the Board steps up and expresses interest. -----
>
>
> That's how I'm reading it.
> sh
>
>
>
> --- Erik Olson <erik@thekrib.com> wrote:
> > I didn't feel that he understood my question about
> > accountability/responsibility -- again, read my question
> > at the bottom
> > first, THEN his reply.
> >
> > In fact, to me THIS reply raised more red flags than the
> > first one. See
> > what you think...
> >
> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 22:15:10 -0500
> > From: JamesHoftiezer@charter.net
> > To: Erik Olson <erik@thekrib.com>
> > Cc: "Hoftiezer, James" <JHoftiezer@advanceamerica.net>
> > Subject: Re: AGA Forums
> >
> > I can understand that. If this is successful, it will
> > only add to those
> > existing duties with new memberships and attention.
> >
> > My concerns are similar in nature. That is why I have
> > offered to pay for
> > the first year of hosting, to set it up myself and only
> > go live once I have
> > the support of the AGA. I think my reputation and
> > history will speak for
> > itself in this manner. I'll research, prototype and
> > build a turnkey
> > product.
> >
> > If you believe the AGA will actively support the forum,
> > then I will go
> > onto the next stage and begin constructing the forum and
> > the team. If there
> > is hesitation, please let me know so that we can address
> > any concerns up
> > front. If possible a tentative approval would be
> > appreciated so that I know
> > the level of interest and support. It will add
> > credability to any
> > recruitment and avoid any misundertandings.
> >
> > Also, is it possible to get a membership & email list, so
> > that I can
> > concentrate on recruiting existing AGA members? Short of
> > asking everyone, I
> > am not away of any directory.
> >
> > The first thing would be tentative approval from the
> > board. Then I'll
> > purchase the webspace and create the portal. I'll set up
> > the basic topics
> > and ask the AGA to review the layout and content. At the
> > same time I will
> > recruit moderators and authors from the AGA. With the
> > team established,
> > we'll review the portal page, the forum layout and topic
> > list, assign the
> > moderators and get final AGA approval. Only then would
> > it go live. If for
> > any reason the AGA does not approve the final concept or
> > I am unable to
> > recruit a full team, we can drop the project in the
> > prototype stage.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Erik Olson" <erik@thekrib.com>
> > To: <JamesHoftiezer@charter.net>
> > Cc: "Hoftiezer, James" <JHoftiezer@advanceamerica.net>
> > Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2003 3:20 PM
> > Subject: Re: AGA Forums
> >
> >
> > > On Sat, 6 Dec 2003 JamesHoftiezer@charter.net wrote:
> > >
> > > > E) My intention is that the forum/board become the
> > property of the AGA.
> > In
> > > > no way do I want to assert ownership of the board or
> > allow it to be seen
> > as
> > > > my property. I feel that would be counterprodctive
> > to the stated
> > purpose.
> > > > If for some reason I was unable to continue a
> > moderator or AGA member
> > within
> > > > the forums would have to be promoted by the AGA
> > board.
> > > > I am volunteering my time to establish and run the
> > forum indefinately at
> > the
> > > > discretion of the AGA board. I am very flexible in
> > that regard. I feel
> > > > that this should be done, but do not feel that it has
> > to be me
> > personally.
> > > > In fact there may be people already in the AGA who
> > would be better
> > equipped
> > > > to do this or whom the AGA may prefer to see as
> > senior admin, even if
> > only
> > > > for appearance sake. (i.e. - Ghazanfar Ghori may be
> > better at setting
> > up
> > > > the tech of a forum and you as president may be
> > officially listed as
> > senior
> > > > admin. The moderators and members would do the day
> > to day work. Then I
> > > > could just be a member :) )
> > >
> > > Understand that our concern is not so much whether it's
> > the AGA or you who
> > > "controls" it. As a member, you are as much a part of
> > the AGA as anyone
> > > else. Pretty much every proposal that has been made to
> > the AGA by a
> > > member has been placed in charge of that member to
> > administrate.
> > >
> > > Rather, it's the opposite problem! What seems to be
> > the perennial issue
> > > with volunteers is getting them to stick with their
> > promises. We want a
> > > person/team to have specific *commitment* to this
> > service, and it *can't*
> > > really be anyone currently on the board (we've all got
> > way too many jobs
> > > already!). So one of the requirements, just like
> > organizing the
> > > convention, is that you list people who would be on
> > board with the
> > > concept.
> > >
> > > - Erik
> > >
> > > --
> > > Erik Olson
> > > erik at thekrib dot com
> > >
> >
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