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Re: AGA Forums (fwd) 2nd Reply
sounds good....
On Sun, 7 Dec 2003, Karen Randall wrote:
> I would read it the same way. My _feeling_ is that he's trying to bend over
> backwards to NOT say anything that could make us say "no".
>
> I think we should say, straight out, that we're intrigued by the idea IF:
>
> * He will take management responsibility for the project, and commit to
> running the whole thing for the foreseeable future.
>
> * Ask him to work up the details, and present it to the BOD for approval.
>
> * Tell him that it is against our policy to give out the membership list,
> but that since most of the people who are "web savy" can be reached via the
> mailing list, he's welcome to ask for help theat way, and that if he'd like,
> once he's committed to the project, we will put a notice in TAG to sweep the
> ones who don't read the list.
>
> * Tell him that it is possible that a couple of people on the BOD would be
> willing to lend a hand on the forum, but that he SHOULDN'T count on major
> input from this group, as they are already stretched to the limit.
>
> My personal opinion is that trying to get this done on the sly, without
> Robert Hudson knowing could backfire very, VERY badly. I'd rather be
> totally up-front about it, saying that this is just "another good addition"
> to the places that people can turn to help with their planted tanks. If it's
> not a secret, it's much easier to recruit without sneaking around and trying
> to keep it a secret. If it's going to be a HUGE problem with AquaBotanic,
> isn't it better to know that up-front?
>
> Karen
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "S. Hieber" <shieber@yahoo.com>
> To: <aga-sc@thekrib.com>
> Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2003 11:32 AM
> Subject: Re: AGA Forums (fwd) 2nd Reply
>
>
> > Definitely not a straightforward answer, which would have
> > been, if I'm understanding this, something like:
> >
> > ---I don't know who the moderators will be, although I am
> > willing to recruit, I don't plan on doing so without some
> > clear signal of support from the AGA Board to begin
> > prototyping. along with that I'd like a membership list.
> >
> > Thus, the prooject proposal won't be further deveoloped
> > unless the Board steps up and expresses interest. -----
> >
> >
> > That's how I'm reading it.
> > sh
> >
> >
> >
> > --- Erik Olson <erik@thekrib.com> wrote:
> > > I didn't feel that he understood my question about
> > > accountability/responsibility -- again, read my question
> > > at the bottom
> > > first, THEN his reply.
> > >
> > > In fact, to me THIS reply raised more red flags than the
> > > first one. See
> > > what you think...
> > >
> > > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > > Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 22:15:10 -0500
> > > From: JamesHoftiezer@charter.net
> > > To: Erik Olson <erik@thekrib.com>
> > > Cc: "Hoftiezer, James" <JHoftiezer@advanceamerica.net>
> > > Subject: Re: AGA Forums
> > >
> > > I can understand that. If this is successful, it will
> > > only add to those
> > > existing duties with new memberships and attention.
> > >
> > > My concerns are similar in nature. That is why I have
> > > offered to pay for
> > > the first year of hosting, to set it up myself and only
> > > go live once I have
> > > the support of the AGA. I think my reputation and
> > > history will speak for
> > > itself in this manner. I'll research, prototype and
> > > build a turnkey
> > > product.
> > >
> > > If you believe the AGA will actively support the forum,
> > > then I will go
> > > onto the next stage and begin constructing the forum and
> > > the team. If there
> > > is hesitation, please let me know so that we can address
> > > any concerns up
> > > front. If possible a tentative approval would be
> > > appreciated so that I know
> > > the level of interest and support. It will add
> > > credability to any
> > > recruitment and avoid any misundertandings.
> > >
> > > Also, is it possible to get a membership & email list, so
> > > that I can
> > > concentrate on recruiting existing AGA members? Short of
> > > asking everyone, I
> > > am not away of any directory.
> > >
> > > The first thing would be tentative approval from the
> > > board. Then I'll
> > > purchase the webspace and create the portal. I'll set up
> > > the basic topics
> > > and ask the AGA to review the layout and content. At the
> > > same time I will
> > > recruit moderators and authors from the AGA. With the
> > > team established,
> > > we'll review the portal page, the forum layout and topic
> > > list, assign the
> > > moderators and get final AGA approval. Only then would
> > > it go live. If for
> > > any reason the AGA does not approve the final concept or
> > > I am unable to
> > > recruit a full team, we can drop the project in the
> > > prototype stage.
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Erik Olson" <erik@thekrib.com>
> > > To: <JamesHoftiezer@charter.net>
> > > Cc: "Hoftiezer, James" <JHoftiezer@advanceamerica.net>
> > > Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2003 3:20 PM
> > > Subject: Re: AGA Forums
> > >
> > >
> > > > On Sat, 6 Dec 2003 JamesHoftiezer@charter.net wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > E) My intention is that the forum/board become the
> > > property of the AGA.
> > > In
> > > > > no way do I want to assert ownership of the board or
> > > allow it to be seen
> > > as
> > > > > my property. I feel that would be counterprodctive
> > > to the stated
> > > purpose.
> > > > > If for some reason I was unable to continue a
> > > moderator or AGA member
> > > within
> > > > > the forums would have to be promoted by the AGA
> > > board.
> > > > > I am volunteering my time to establish and run the
> > > forum indefinately at
> > > the
> > > > > discretion of the AGA board. I am very flexible in
> > > that regard. I feel
> > > > > that this should be done, but do not feel that it has
> > > to be me
> > > personally.
> > > > > In fact there may be people already in the AGA who
> > > would be better
> > > equipped
> > > > > to do this or whom the AGA may prefer to see as
> > > senior admin, even if
> > > only
> > > > > for appearance sake. (i.e. - Ghazanfar Ghori may be
> > > better at setting
> > > up
> > > > > the tech of a forum and you as president may be
> > > officially listed as
> > > senior
> > > > > admin. The moderators and members would do the day
> > > to day work. Then I
> > > > > could just be a member :) )
> > > >
> > > > Understand that our concern is not so much whether it's
> > > the AGA or you who
> > > > "controls" it. As a member, you are as much a part of
> > > the AGA as anyone
> > > > else. Pretty much every proposal that has been made to
> > > the AGA by a
> > > > member has been placed in charge of that member to
> > > administrate.
> > > >
> > > > Rather, it's the opposite problem! What seems to be
> > > the perennial issue
> > > > with volunteers is getting them to stick with their
> > > promises. We want a
> > > > person/team to have specific *commitment* to this
> > > service, and it *can't*
> > > > really be anyone currently on the board (we've all got
> > > way too many jobs
> > > > already!). So one of the requirements, just like
> > > organizing the
> > > > convention, is that you list people who would be on
> > > board with the
> > > > concept.
> > > >
> > > > - Erik
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Erik Olson
> > > > erik at thekrib dot com
> > > >
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