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Re: [AGA SC] T-shirts
Thanks, that's helpful info. I thought it good to try to
think of alternatives before choosing -- it's cynical
analtyst's mind, which, unfortunately, I cannot return
because it's not in the same condition as when I got it
from the cycnical analyst. I content now.
sh
--- Karen Randall <krandall@rdrcpa.biz> wrote:
> Yes, they were only sold at conventions, because no one
> wanted to deal with
> mail-order. (remember, this was even pre-website)
> Basically, Dorothy and I
> took them with us when we went places.<g>
>
> You DON'T get a great deal on good quality T's when you
> buy small numbers...
> I know because I was the one who dealt with the whole
> thing. At the time we
> did those, the only good quality way of doing shirts was
> silk screening,
> each color cost more, (separate screen) and the process
> was quite limiting
> in terms of design because you have to use just one color
> at a time.
>
> I think there are better quality computer generated
> techniques for image
> reproduction now... In those days, the "decal" type
> transfers didn't last
> well at all, which is why we went with silk screening.
> Those HAVE heald up
> well... every time I see one at a convention, even now,
> they look great.
>
> I'm happy to do a design. My hand is in working shape
> again so that's no
> problem. I think it would be fun to do a new design
> every year, for each
> convention. Then people have to buy more than one ;-)
> (for the NEC
> convention, you actually order your shirt with your
> convention registration)
>
> BUT (you knew that was coming, right?<g>) I DON'T want
> to handle chasing
> around to find the best deal, manage the printing of the
> shirts or (heaven
> forbid!!!) handle distribution. I've made this offer
> before, but this is
> where the conversation usually stops, when that elusive
> person, "Somebody",
> fails to turn up.<g>
>
> As far as somebody who currently does specifically
> aquatic hobby shirts, I
> don't know of any such beast... do you, Scott? Most of
> the clubs I know do
> it pretty much independently.
>
> That's why this ready-made solution appealed to me. Not
> that it will make
> us a lot of money... clearly it won't. But it gives
> people the opportunity
> to buy a shirt or other piece of apparel (some of us
> don't do T-shirts) and
> share in a little camraderie. It also gets our name out
> in public.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "S. Hieber" <shieber@yahoo.com>
> To: <aga-sc@thekrib.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2004 12:35 PM
> Subject: Re: [AGA SC] T-shirts
>
>
> > Then we'd have a better idea on options and it only
> costs a
> > day or two. We're not in a hurry are we. Which reminds
> me:
> >
> > Cherrrrrrrrryl,
> > Should I expect brochures in hand to take up to NEC. I
> just
> > want to know if I need to save room in the car (i.e.,
> clean
> > the darn thing out for a change).
> >
> >
> > sh
> > --- Erik Olson <erik@thekrib.com> wrote:
> > > When the shirts were sold, weren't they only sold at
> > > conventions? I never
> > > remember reading about them in TAG. I have a small
> set
> > > of the remaining
> > > pins, and was going to offer them on the website
> (well,
> > > right after I add
> > > Diana's new offer -- boy she's being bitchy and
> > > unreasonable about that,
> > > as if suddenly this offer's going to just fly those
> back
> > > issues out of her
> > > trailer...but I digress). Anyway, I think it would
> be
> > > cool to do a small
> > > T-shirt run. Cafepress is pretty humdrum and tends
> to
> > > charge a lot. We
> > > could probably get a small run for less. I almost
> would
> > > volunteer for
> > > distribution, as they make great padding for videos
> and
> > > CD's... but no,
> > > the main thing would be having another AGA volunteer
> to
> > > do this. Hey, why
> > > not ask the membership? Maybe someone new WOULD like
> to
> > > handle this?
> > >
> > > - Erik
> > >
> > > On Tue, 9 Mar 2004, S. Hieber wrote:
> > >
> > > > The biggest piece of change goes to the
> intermediary,
> > > Cafe
> > > > Press. E.g, roughly estimatingm on a T-shirt: $2 to
> > > bulk
> > > > wholesaler, $13 markup to CafesPress, $2-$5 markup
> to
> > > AGA
> > > > selling at $18 to $20. That's a lot of money for a
> > > T-shirt
> > > > unless these are very nice T-shirts. I mean the
> cotton
> > > -- I
> > > > know the logo is nice ;-)
> > > >
> > > > There are others we could enter into business with,
> no?
> > > How
> > > > about someone that does aquatic hobby T-shirts. We
> add
> > > our
> > > > design to their inventory; the inventory/selection
> is
> > > > bigger; we sell it off the AGA site; the T-shirt
> person
> > > > handles "manufacture" and fullfillment; and we take
> a
> > > piece
> > > > for the AGA website point of sale.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Otoh, this is easy with little up front cost in
> time
> > > and
> > > > none in money. Little return--little risk. ( and
> little
> > > > inventory shrinkage due to comps ;-) )
> > > >
> > > > When we had shirt, how did they move? Sold fast;
> > > > give-aways, etc???
> > > >
> > > > Just, pardon the expression, spitballing.
> > > >
> > > > sh
> > > >
> > > > --- Karen Randall <krandall@rdrcpa.biz> wrote:
> > > > > I took this to the SC list, because I didn't
> think it
> > > was
> > > > > something to be
> > > > > decided in public. But actually, I don't think
> it's
> > > a
> > > > > bad idea at all. The
> > > > > reason we haven't done T-shirts or pins again is
> not
> > > > > because people didn't
> > > > > like/want them, but because no one wanted to
> handle
> > > the
> > > > > production, sales,
> > > > > inventory and shipping. The one time we did
> > > t-shirts, I
> > > > > did all the
> > > > > production work, and still have the last few
> > > remaining
> > > > > "collectors item"<g>
> > > > > shirts. Dorothy did the pins, and likewise, I
> think
> > > if
> > > > > there are any left,
> > > > > she has them. When I looked at the prices this
> place
> > > was
> > > > > charging, they
> > > > > were just about the same as what we needed to
> charge
> > > whn
> > > > > we did them, simply
> > > > > because we had a relatively small order, and
> needed
> > > to be
> > > > > sure to get our
> > > > > money back out of them.
> > > > >
> > > > > I don't see any harm in doing this, and it might
> > > bring in
> > > > > a little money.
> > > > > Between Cheryl and me, we have the "design team"
> in
> > > place
> > > > > already. If we
> > > > > did a new design annually, people could keep
> buying
> > > > > updates. Even if we
> > > > > didn't sell THAT many, if there is no up-front
> cost,
> > > it
> > > > > seems to me that
> > > > > ANYTHING that adds to the bottom line might be a
> good
> > > > > idea. In this case,
> > > > > it's also something that people enjoy, and
> promote a
> > > > > sense of community.
> > > > > T-shirts are a big part of the "aquarium hobby
> > > culture"
> > > > > here in the U.S.
> > > > >
> > > > > Any thoughts from the rest of you?
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > =====
> > > > S. Hieber
> > > >
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