I would rather "Peramanent Offer" was called "Standing Offer". [WEll, I had to have something, didn't I? ;-)] Other than that, I think we could come up with fifty diff twists and angles on each one of these, even more if we wanted to think about it longer. You know the famous example of Los Angeles spending more money over the years on studying mass transit rail options than it would have cost to build them all? It's a well thought out package. It's practical and realistic. It has some flexibility, too. I think we should go for the whole package. In 6 months or a year, we can revise as necessary. I think volume is important. 800-900 members might have been critical mass for sustainability a few years ago, but I don't think it will be in a couple of years from now. So lower rates/premiums if they work as incentives are a good idea (assuming the marginal return is positive which it should be until membership is much much larger than it is now). Increased volume and exposure, I think, are key to AGA's continuing development and growth. I'd rather double membership and have no net financial improvement for a couple years than hang out at 800-900 for another year and have some slight net improvement. Note that I'm not at the other extreme. I'm not suggesting that it would be prudent to do what, for exdample, Amazon did and intentionally lose a large fortune for several years just to build up market recognition and a customer base. However, I don't think we will get much beyond are current condition without the sorts of actions Cheryl and her committee have developed. I think there was more to Larry's comment than what I saw at first sight. To take the other side of the coin from what he said, you only have to look to see the hobby is growing and there is a role for AGA to play. We need to grow with the hobby or eventually be seen as a less and less important element. Also, note that I'm not talking about, for example, Karen's place in the hobby, which is unquestionable. But *AGA's* role -- if AGA doesn't do more, than it's doing it will be seen as less than it is. And it will become much less than it can be. Those are not eloquent words but *I sticks by 'em*. I vote yes on all 5 motions before the Board. sh --- Cheryl Rogers <cheryl@wilstream.com> wrote: > Okay, enough keeping you all in suspense. They aren't > *that* special! We > all had a lot of great ideas and I had to stick with the > ones that I > thought *I* could implement, this year sometime, without > much trouble. ===== - - - - - - - - AGA 2004 Annual Convention Designing The Nature Aquarium -- demonstrated by Takashi Amano Paludarium design -- Mike Senske Planted Aquarium Ecology -- Diana Walstad Cryptocorynes -- Jan D. Bastmeijer Field Trip, workshops and more, Nov 12, 13 & 14; Marriott Crystal Gateway, Arlington, VA, USA Details & Registration at www.aquatic-gardeners.org & www.gwapa.org __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online by April 15th http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html ------------------ To unsubscribe from this list, e-mail majordomo@thekrib.com with "unsubscribe aga-sc" in the body of the message. Old messages are available at http://lists.thekrib.com/aga-sc When asked, log in as username is "aga-sc", and password "incorp".