Re: [AGA-sc] Ouch

["S. Hieber" <shieber@yahoo.com>]

I had a brief phone chat with Ray just now and he's going
to call me back later tonight. I think he'll be speaking
with Erik between now and then. He told me he had a nice
talk with Kathy.

The conversation I just had pretty much echoed what is in
the email below that Erik forwareded from Ray. But I think
Ray has some more to say and I want to hear it.

I agree this is Board stuff and not MCM. But it will be
good, imo, to bring Larry up to date after tonight. 

How it all gets reflected in the bid doc or future actions
remains to be seen but I'm sure we can pull things off
better than this year.

This might end up being one of those times when a
conference call meeting is appropriate. . .

sh
--- Erik Olson <erik@thekrib.com> wrote:

> Keeping this off the MCM because I don't think it will do
> any good for 
> Rick or Ghazanfar to hear.  But it is very important for
> us to hear.
> 
> Guess I'll hear from Kathy about thow the phone call
> went, but this does 
> seem to echo what I heard from others.
> 
> I got cornered by the president of PVAS during the
> auction, and he told me 
> that they (PVAS) offered to RUN their auction but were
> blown off.  The 
> auction software was provided by PVAS, but picked up less
> than a week 
> before the auction.  Nobody from GWAPA showed up at their
> highly succesful 
> catfish convention the moneh before, except Ghazanfar who
> spent an hour at 
> the auction.
> 
> We're definitely going to have to reconcile this
> phenomenon of these 
> upstart plant clubs being isolationists from the aquarium
> hobby as a 
> whole.  There are two possibilities:
> 
>    1. Learn to be part of the aquarium community, or
> 
>    2. Do not rely on vendors or other sponsors that are
> associated with the
>       larger community.
> 
> OK, here's the forwarded mail:
> 
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 14:48:04 -0500
> From: kingfish <kingfish@buffnet.net>
> To: Andrew and Alysoun <alysoun@msn.com>, Rodney Conway
> <rodcon00@yahoo.com>,
>      David J Snell <David.J.Snell@trw.com>,
>      Emily Novotny <bowfishes@comcast.net>,
>      Gerry & Audrey Hoffman <gahajaja@starpower.net>
> Cc: Erik Olson <erik@thekrib.com>
> Subject: Greetings
> 
> Greetings my fellow hobbyist
> 
> First of all for those I have visited with this past
> weekend THANK YOU,
> 
> I have alot of time to think about the events that took
> place this past weekend at the Greater Washington Plant
> Society hosting the Aquatic Gardeners Convention.
> 
> Please remember we are all volunteers
> 
> The exectutive of this convention should be ashamed of
> themself's for not doing what they were told.
> Lots of folks express ideas to help make this convention
> a good one, well, just the other side of the coin,
> It sucked in my book, The Executive of the Aquatic
> Gardeners ran there asses off trying to make this a good
> even for everyone involved, MY Hats and toes off to them
> Erik,Karen,Larry,Cheryl,Scott. as for the
> people in charge and you know who they are SHAME ON
> YOU!!!,
> 
> I know alot of these hobbyist are also members of the
> Potomac Valley Aquarium Society but they the Plant Club
> decided to host this convention, I know they PVAS Members
> have offered Ideas and suggestions on how to host a
> convention since they just hosted the 1st ever Catfish
> Convention and did a outstanding,Great,Best Ever
> Convention in my book JOB.
> But I guess they GWPS knows everything. well if they fall
> on there butts its there fault not PVAS, please get this
> through your heads, it was there screw up.
> I know where there faults were and have been talking with
> the AGA Executive about damage control. I have been
> working on the Manuafacturers/Vendors, Don't worry it
> shall be corrected, I gave all the vendors/manufactures
> gifts from KingfishServices and PVAS the Pint Glasses
> they loved them, more that they got from GWPS. Most of
> you know all the screw ups that took place please don't
> hold it against the AGA Executive or its members. Some
> people just know everything and wanted to be called a
> Convention Chairperson or persons. well they shall be
> getting the complaint letters.
>   Pitty the Plants & Fish these Hobbyist keep. Dumb and
> Dumber, Curlie Larry &  NO MOE,
> please keep supporting the Hobby.
> 
> Aquatically Yours
> 
> Kingfish  (a Friend of the Hobbyist & Society's)
> 
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