Re: [AGA-sc] Ouch

["S. Hieber" <shieber@yahoo.com>]

Great comments on important difficult and fundamental
issues. I'm still reeling from the comments so far and I've
only been back for a day -- or is it two? 

Erik's web page will be a real help if enough folks
respond. Can we email it to the registrant list? Someone
made one, right?

We decided to put Larry on the MCM and wait and see if he
participated since he has ACA coming up. I thnk the same
was decided then for Mike.

sh
--- Karen Randall <krandall@rdrcpa.biz> wrote:

> Wow.
> 
> Again, I'm glad this is off the general list, but he is
> right in many ways.
> A little less than PC (what's new, it's Ray<g>) but MANY
> of the problems
> could have been prevented if they had been willing to
> LISTEN to people with
> more experience.
> 
> I also agree COMPLETELY, and have said it many times to
> many people, (in
> fact, I gave this spiel on the bus home on Friday) that
> it is CRITICAL that
> the "plant" hobby not become another "faction" in the
> hobby the way the reef
> people have.  We all have more to gain by working
> together than by splitting
> up.
> 
> Unfortunately, things aren't always clear-cut.  In
> Dallas, that group got
> started, as I understand it, because there was no support
> from the general
> club for planted tank enthusiasts.  Funnily enough, the
> same thing happened
> in SF years back, and now, even though the Bay Area plant
> group still
> exists, it has revitalized interest in plants among SFAS
> membership.  Now
> they have been working together to bring great plant
> speakers to the Bay
> Area for back-to-back talks.
> 
> I think the big difference with this group was that they
> didn't evolve from
> a general aquarium society that wasn't meeting their
> needs, they were all
> (or mostly) completely new to the organized hobby, and
> didn't want to accept
> that there is an established "culture" and an expected
> way for things to
> work in the organized hobby.  We can all learn something
> new from fresh
> ideas, but it's also important not to throw out the tried
> and true.  What
> has worked in the organized hobby has already gone
> through 50 years (in some
> cases many more) of trial and error.
> 
> That said, it's important on any number of levels not to
> burn our bridges
> with the GWAPA folks.  They didn't do a fantastic job,
> but they worked
> really hard.  We don't have to worry about them doing it
> next year.<g>  So
> we chalk this up to one more "learning experence".
> 
> Did we ever officially offer Larry a board position?  Is
> he on this list
> now?  I think he is an important person to have involved
> in some of these
> more private discussions.

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